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Post by eddieeddie on May 17, 2022 19:46:37 GMT -5
Orlando already has like 16 big men other roster it seems. Need a wing
Isaac can't stay healthy at all (136 games in 5 seasons - i repeat 5 seasons - and added a hamstring issue to his torn ACL), WCJ has major durability issues as well, Bamba and RoLo are FAs. After that is Okeke, who is fine but not a stud or anything. So while I agree SG would seem to be a need, I don't think their frontcourt depth should be cause them to pass on drafting a PF at #1. If I'm them, they just need to draft BPA, even if it's a frontcourt player.
That said, if they were confident in Isaac's health - which would be crazy but hey, they also paid him big $ so who knows, they should consider doing the same thing they did with CWebb back in the day when they traded back from #1 to #3 for Penny. I mean, I don't know that the Rockets would similarly trade 3 1st rd picks to move up 2 spots like the Warriors did but they do have the draft capital to do something similarly aggressive if they want the top choice - i.e. Chet - that bad enough. Orlando at #3 can then go Ivey or even Sharpe if they chose.
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Post by wareagle on May 17, 2022 19:47:38 GMT -5
No luck for the Rockets for the second year in a row!!
Good. They need to not be rewarded for being the worst team in the league in back to back years.
That said, they did fine last year with Jalen Green and I'm pretty sure they'll be fine this year with whoever is left between Jabari, Chet and Banchero.
Detroit is the one who can't be happy falling out of the top 4. They should hope Givony is right in the Kings going with Sharpe, which would leave the Pistons a great option with Ivey ( I like Keegan Murray but don't agree that should be the pick there)
Oh, give me a break!! Sometimes you are just a bad team. Look at OKC & Philly (especially Philly during their “process” phase)!! The Rockets have just been legitimately bad since they dismantled. Not to say I wouldn’t mind if our “owner” decided to sell. Green is ok, but they missed on Cade because Detroit got lucky last year & then they should have taken Mobley. I was hoping for some luck this year so they could draft Jabari (yes, I am being a homer!!), but since the Rockets caused all this lottery nonsense by tanking back in the 80’s I should quit bitching!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
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Post by eddieeddie on May 17, 2022 20:00:32 GMT -5
Good. They need to not be rewarded for being the worst team in the league in back to back years.
That said, they did fine last year with Jalen Green and I'm pretty sure they'll be fine this year with whoever is left between Jabari, Chet and Banchero.
Detroit is the one who can't be happy falling out of the top 4. They should hope Givony is right in the Kings going with Sharpe, which would leave the Pistons a great option with Ivey ( I like Keegan Murray but don't agree that should be the pick there)
Oh, give me a break!! Sometimes you are just a bad team. Look at OKC & Philly (especially Philly during their “process” phase)!! The Rockets have just been legitimately bad since they dismantled. Not to say I wouldn’t mind if our “owner” decided to sell. Green is ok, but they missed on Cade because Detroit got lucky last year & then they should have taken Mobley. I was hoping for some luck this year so they could draft Jabari (yes, I am being a homer!!), but since the Rockets caused all this lottery nonsense by tanking back in the 80’s I should quit bitching!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
The Rockets were legitimately bad on purpose, similar to OKC and Philly. As you said, they "dismantled". They took a 44-28 that was 4th in the West and then fired their HC/GM, hired a rookie HC, traded Covington for picks, traded Russ for an injured John Wall, traded Harden for a package that was less than they could have gotten (could have gotten Levert/Jarrett Allen but instead took Oladipo), dumped PJ Tucker, traded Oladipo for nothing, said John Wall could stay home. I'm all for a team rebuilding and focusing on youth but this was, for all intents and purposes, "the process" the last two years and I for one am glad the NBA changed the lottery so that you aren't necessarily rewarded for choosing to be terrible. Which is exactly what the Rockets did. And the Thunder as well. They aren't alone in that though, which is why I think the altered lottery odds is good because it reduces the incentive as a whole to tank. Add in the play-in tourney and there is just more incentive to actually try and be halfway decent these days. I prefer the Spurs way of rebuilding but that's just me.
Frankly what the Rockets need is to make a "win now" type move anyways. Wood and KPJ are solid talents but knuckleheads and the Rockets would do well to sell these guys and build around Green, Sengun, whoever they draft #3 (I like Banchero if available) and then whatever they can get back in trades, preferably a good veteran/locker room leader. Start by getting a real PG. KPJ ain't it. And I say this as a USC fan and someone who has KPJ in a dynasty league and enjoys, sometimes, his inflated stats. Maybe this is a team that should consider Tyus Jones.
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Post by doakley8 on May 17, 2022 20:14:21 GMT -5
Lol how do you respond to that one War. EE's got you staggering after that one. Come back swinging!
Not playing Wall sealed it for me. Plus the laundry list EE just listed
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Post by wareagle on May 17, 2022 20:19:31 GMT -5
Oh, give me a break!! Sometimes you are just a bad team. Look at OKC & Philly (especially Philly during their “process” phase)!! The Rockets have just been legitimately bad since they dismantled. Not to say I wouldn’t mind if our “owner” decided to sell. Green is ok, but they missed on Cade because Detroit got lucky last year & then they should have taken Mobley. I was hoping for some luck this year so they could draft Jabari (yes, I am being a homer!!), but since the Rockets caused all this lottery nonsense by tanking back in the 80’s I should quit bitching!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
The Rockets were legitimately bad on purpose, similar to OKC and Philly. As you said, they "dismantled". They took a 44-28 that was 4th in the West and then fired their HC/GM, hired a rookie HC, traded Covington for picks, traded Russ for an injured John Wall, traded Harden for a package that was less than they could have gotten (could have gotten Levert/Jarrett Allen but instead took Oladipo), dumped PJ Tucker, traded Oladipo for nothing, said John Wall could stay home. I'm all for a team rebuilding and focusing on youth but this was, for all intents and purposes, "the process" the last two years and I for one am glad the NBA changed the lottery so that you aren't necessarily rewarded for choosing to be terrible. Which is exactly what the Rockets did. They aren't alone in that though, which is why I think the altered lottery odds is good because it reduces the incentive as a whole to tank. Add in the play-in tourney and there is just more incentive to actually try and be halfway decent these days.
Frankly what the Rockets need is to make a "win now" type move. Wood and KPJ are solid talents but knuckleheads and the Rockets would do well to sell these guys and build around Green, Sengun, whoever they draft #3 and then whatever they can get back in trades. Start by getting a real PG. KPJ ain't it.
I can’t disagree with most of that, but that’s like the definition of a “rebuild”. I’d much rather they “rebuild” than be the LA Clippers or the Portland Trailblazers for the next decade. Hell, I’m doing that myself this year in one of my long-term baseball dynasty leagues!! I think OKC has been much more of a “tanking” team the last few years. I don’t remember the Rockets going out of their way to sit their premier players the way OKC has done recently. That’s the one thing I really like about the NBA, you can retool and it doesn’t take a decade. I’ve suffered some long droughts with the Oilers & Astros over the years!! And didn’t the Suns do exactly what the Rockets are doing now? A complete dismantle followed by a few lean years with top 4 lottery picks followed by being title contenders really quickly? (Notwithstanding this years collapse.) Or am I misremembering?
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Post by doakley8 on May 17, 2022 20:31:10 GMT -5
Right with you on OKC...sealed that when they told Horford to stay home
Sounds like a trend...
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Post by eddieeddie on May 17, 2022 20:52:31 GMT -5
The Rockets were legitimately bad on purpose, similar to OKC and Philly. As you said, they "dismantled". They took a 44-28 that was 4th in the West and then fired their HC/GM, hired a rookie HC, traded Covington for picks, traded Russ for an injured John Wall, traded Harden for a package that was less than they could have gotten (could have gotten Levert/Jarrett Allen but instead took Oladipo), dumped PJ Tucker, traded Oladipo for nothing, said John Wall could stay home. I'm all for a team rebuilding and focusing on youth but this was, for all intents and purposes, "the process" the last two years and I for one am glad the NBA changed the lottery so that you aren't necessarily rewarded for choosing to be terrible. Which is exactly what the Rockets did. They aren't alone in that though, which is why I think the altered lottery odds is good because it reduces the incentive as a whole to tank. Add in the play-in tourney and there is just more incentive to actually try and be halfway decent these days.
Frankly what the Rockets need is to make a "win now" type move. Wood and KPJ are solid talents but knuckleheads and the Rockets would do well to sell these guys and build around Green, Sengun, whoever they draft #3 and then whatever they can get back in trades. Start by getting a real PG. KPJ ain't it.
I can’t disagree with most of that, but that’s like the definition of a “rebuild”. I’d much rather they “rebuild” than be the LA Clippers or the Portland Trailblazers for the next decade. Hell, I’m doing that myself this year in one of my long-term baseball dynasty leagues!! I think OKC has been much more of a “tanking” team the last few years. I don’t remember the Rockets going out of their way to sit their premier players the way OKC has done recently. That’s the one thing I really like about the NBA, you can retool and it doesn’t take a decade. I’ve suffered some long droughts with the Oilers & Astros over the years!! And didn’t the Suns do exactly what the Rockets are doing now? A complete dismantle followed by a few lean years with top 4 lottery picks followed by being title contenders really quickly? (Notwithstanding this years collapse.) Or am I misremembering?
2019-2020: Rockets were 44-28, veteran laden with elite talent (Harden/Russ), made the 2nd round and dismantled their team.
2019-2020: Thunder were 44-28, had veteran talent (namely CP3), lost in the 1st round to the aforementioned Rockets - meaning they were the worse of the pair - and dismantled their team.
The difference is they had a clear young talent worth building around in SGA (Houston did not), who actually led the team in scoring that season. Plus the team had made the playoffs 10 of the prior 11 seasons (had a 45-37 record the one season they didn't) and were also coming off 4 straight 1st round exits (The Rockets were coming off 4 straight trips to the 2nd round, inc the conference finals). Hard to blame a team in this situation for hitting the reset button.
OKC has been a "tanking" team equally as long as Houston and had more reason to do so. That said, neither team has been shy in their tanking efforts.
Lots of teams blow up their team for the purposes of rebuilding through sucking and accruing high draft picks over a number of years. That's just fact. Sucking by building around youth and creating cap flexibility is normal. Then you have a team like the Lakers who just sucked because they sucked, not because they were trying to suck.
I just think the specific actions Houston did went beyond the normal rebuilding process - namely where they were when they blew it up, how they approached the Harden trade and then approached John Wall, just their lackluster trade returns in general - are just excessively overt in how badly they wanted to tank and I personally don't care to reward that. OKC is the same way, not denying that. And neither does the NBA in rewarding this. But that's just me, I don't really have a dog in this fight and don't particularly care what the Rockets or Thunder do - although I'd like to see both do well just for competitive purposes. The Rockets had the worst record in the NBA the last two seasons through their own efforts and the new lottery system said "Nope, sorry, not the #1 pick for you either season" and I just think that's good for the league. Thunder didn't get rewarded either. They didn't get the #1 pick this season and fell from 4 to 6 last season.
All I'm saying is I appreciate the new lottery odds that try to diminish the benefits of purposely sucking (whether it's a normal rebuild or a little bit extra actions on top of it), which many teams - not just the Rockets - have done, are doing and will do in the future.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 17, 2022 20:58:56 GMT -5
A way too early mock for shiggles:
14 Cavs - Agbaji. Rare 4 year player. Would be an ideal fit next to Garland 13 Hornets - Duren. They definitely need to upgrade at C. 12 Thunder - Dieng. Another high upside flier that feels like an OKC pick 11 Knicks - Johnny Davis. NBA ready prospect for a team eager to compete. 10 Wizards - Mathurin. BPA and Beal insurance. 9 Spurs - Sochan. More I read about him, he could be this years Scottie Barnes-type. 8 Pelicans - Dyson Daniels. This years Josh Giddey 7 Blazers - Griffin. Solid wing who can provide quality minutes right away off the bench and usurp Little as the long term answer at SF. 6 Pacers - K. Murray. Could start right away at PF. 5 Pistons - Ivey. Much needed scorer to go with Cade in the backcourt.
4 Kings - Sharpe. They move from 8 to 4 and it allows them to get a truly intriguing prospect to add to Fox, Sabonis, Mitchell.
3 Rockets - J. Smith. Great consolation prize. Green + Smith + Sengun is a nice core. Now you can move Christian Wood for sure.
2 Thunder - Banchero. They need the offense. Bad.
1 Magic - Chet. I like Smith more but I think Chet wins them over in workouts as they see his freakish upside. He's not just Isaac insurance but they could have visions of playing them together.
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May 17, 2022 21:06:42 GMT -5
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Post by wareagle on May 17, 2022 21:06:42 GMT -5
Right with you on OKC...sealed that when they told Horford to stay home Sounds like a trend... It seems to me there are multiple ways for NBA teams to get better: (1) build a super-team a la Brooklyn or the Lakers - but you either have to be owned by a superstar (Jay-Z) or be one of the “cool” teams (i.e. Lakers or Heat), but that’s never going to be the Rockets; (2) build a slow and steady foundation that makes better decisions than anyone else, and constantly retools on the fly (I guess recently this has been the Spurs & maybe the Morons & (maybe (??) the Heat) - again not the Rockets; or (3) dismantle & rebuild like the Rockets are doing, Philly has done, & (I believe) Phoenix has done. I don’t follow the NBA close enough to really know how the Heat, Bucks, & Morons put together the current iterations of their teams. But I’d rather the Rockets did what they did (trade assets for draft capital and cap space) then, again, be mediocre for a decade. I actually think Harden forcing his way out did us a favor in a way, because they went ahead and went all-in on the rebuild. Where would the Rockets be if he had stayed? We might have made the playoffs the last two years, but we wouldn’t have had an actual shot at the title the way we did the last five years or so (stupid Warriors). And also I think it’s much more difficult to build a winning team in the NBA than it used to be. You basically have to have a bunch of Moneyball nerds in your front office to make sense of anything anymore in the NBA - and to a much greater extent than even in MLB nowadays. It seems like the best teams have like this weird fusion of analytics guys, finance guys, and talent “gurus” - and the teams that “fuse” best are the better teams in the league. I am astounded by the dumping of contracts, trades leading to “buyouts”, and players just not playing, but still getting paid to stay home that happens constantly in the NBA (without a single regard to, you know, actual talent). I don’t see that kind of behavior in other sporting leagues, at least not to the extent it plays out in the NBA. And to me it’s kind of dysfunctional. But then again I’m an Oilers, Astros, Rockets, Auburn, & Tottenham fan - dysfunction is in my/our DNA!!
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Post by wareagle on May 17, 2022 21:10:09 GMT -5
A way too early mock for shiggles:
14 Cavs - Agbaji. Rare 4 year player. Would be an ideal fit next to Garland 13 Hornets - Duren. They definitely need to upgrade at C. 12 Thunder - Dieng. Another high upside flier that feels like an OKC pick 11 Knicks - Johnny Davis. NBA ready prospect for a team eager to compete. 10 Wizards - Mathurin. BPA and Beal insurance. 9 Spurs - Sochan. More I read about him, he could be this years Scottie Barnes-type. 8 Pelicans - Dyson Daniels. This years Josh Giddey 7 Blazers - Griffin. Solid wing who can provide quality minutes right away off the bench and usurp Little as the long term answer at SF. 6 Pacers - K. Murray. Could start right away at PF. 5 Pistons - Ivey. Much needed scorer to go with Cade in the backcourt.
4 Kings - Sharpe. They move from 8 to 4 and it allows them to get a truly intriguing prospect to add to Fox, Sabonis, Mitchell.
3 Rockets - J. Smith. Great consolation prize. Green + Smith + Sengun is a nice core. Now you can move Christian Wood for sure.
2 Thunder - Banchero. They need the offense. Bad.
1 Magic - Chet. I like Smith more but I think Chet wins them over in workouts as they see his freakish upside. He's not just Isaac insurance but they could have visions of playing them together.
Lord, I hope you are right!!
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Post by wareagle on May 17, 2022 21:15:10 GMT -5
With all this debate though, someone explain the Kings to me - because I would think after all these years you would just get a decent team at some point just because of the Law of Large Numbers!!
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Post by eddieeddie on May 17, 2022 21:31:02 GMT -5
With all this debate though, someone explain the Kings to me - because I would think after all these years you would just get a decent team at some point just because of the Law of Large Numbers!!
They sucked at drafting
Since 2006 - their last playoff appearance, drafting/acquiring Spencer Hawes, Jason Thompson, Jimmer Fredette, Thomas Robinson, Ben McLemore, Willie Cauley-Stein, Nik Stauskas with lottery picks was.... not ideal. Tyreke Evans was good but they moved on from him after 4 years and traded him for Greivis Vasquez. Whoops.
They traded the #8 pick in 2016 in a deal for Bogdanovic but then lost him for nothing to free agency. They also got #13 pick Papagiannis and he sucked.
Boogie was great but clearly his attitude and empty stats didn't help. They traded him for what became Hield and a 2017 1st, which they failed because they turned that #10 pick into Harry Giles/Justin Jackson. They drafted Bagley #2. Over Luka, JJJ, Trae. They traded him also. For basically DiVincenzo.
They did get Fox #5 in 2017, Hali #12 in 2020, Mitchell #9 in 2021. So I guess they know how to draft PGs.
All the many side moves they did via free agency/trade, couldn't make up for not hitting on their high picks. For example Rudy Gay.
Also having an owner who is too hands on and going through coaches like I go through boxers, isn't good either.
They are close. If Fox/Sabonis can stay healthy, it's a solid pair. Mitchell looked fantastic. Barnes is a solid veteran that fits perfectly. Lyles, Davis, Metu, Holiday are nice role players. If they can trade Richaun Holmes for a decent return and get a quality prospect at #4, they have something brewing. They just really really need to stay healthy.
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Post by obitron64 on May 18, 2022 9:18:31 GMT -5
With crappy drafting teams ahead of the knicks I have faith that they will also draft someone crappy and the HOF player will be drafted at 12.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 18, 2022 11:19:52 GMT -5
CBS mock is
1: ORL - Chet 2: OKC - Banchero 3: HOU - J. Smith 4: SAC - Ivey 5: DET - K. Murray 6: IND - Sharpe
Agreeing with my top 3. Same prospect from 4 to 6 but just rearranged
7: POR - Agbaji. The person writing the mock admits he is higher on him than most but I understand the argument that he is NBA ready and can help Dame. Said the same thing when I mocked him at 14 to CLE.
8: NO - Johnny Davis. Personally I think they need a PG more than another wing 9: SA - Duren. I've seen this choice in many pre-lottery mocks. I think with Poeltl being solid and just 26 and the team investing in Collins/Londale, they need to go scoring here versus defensive-minded big. 10: WAS - Mathurin. I had the same pick. I think he's a nice fit next to Beal and also insurance should they trade Beal. 11: NYK - Sochan. One of those picks where Knick fans will boo it and then a few months later espouse his greatness. 12: OKC - AJ Griffin. Duke x 2 apparently. 13: CHA - Mark Williams. If Duren is off the board, this is the next logical pick to fill their C need. 14: CLE - Branham. Nice hometown pick since he went to OSU.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 21, 2022 12:50:37 GMT -5
Via Adam Zagoria:
"7-foot-3 Kai Sotto has a dozen NBA workouts coming up, including the Knicks on Monday"7-foot-3 Kai Sotto has a dozen workouts ahead of NBA Draft"
"Kai Sotto, the 7-foot-3 big man from the Philippines, has a dozen workouts with NBA teams scheduled beginning May 23, per league sources
He has until June 13 to withdraw form the Draft if he chooses"
I know all about Kai because he's Filipino. Not partially Filipino like Jalen Green or Clarkson but full.
My friends seem to think that he's Chet Holmgren-lite and when you add that to his marketing potential because the Philippines + Filipino-Americans are a huge NBA fanbase, he could go in the 1st round. I mean, random international players get drafted late 1st round all the time and a team like the Spurs with 3 1st rd picks and a history of draft and stashes / hoarding intl prospects could take a flier on Sotto at #25. That said I doubt it.
Yeah he's 7'3" and you can't teach height and has some fairly good offensive skills - including viable 3pt range - and is said to have good bball IQ. But he's just still really raw as a whole, really weak physically (biggest difference between him and Chet is the physicality despite the lanky frame - i.e. Kai is soft) and while some articles talk about his agility, I got a way different impression that he doesn't look agile at all - aside from a few flashy videos online that create a misconception. Kai's motor and speed are lacking. He showed some development in Australia but not nearly as much as expected. Plus not getting selected for the combine or the G league elite camp speaks volumes as to what his draft chances are projected to be.
I do think he's smart enough to trust the process and withdraw if the news isn't good. Obviously these workouts will give him and his agent more clarity.
Could he stay in the draft and go in the 2nd round? Sure. A team like GSW could throw a dart his way at #51 or #57.
Could he go undrafted and end up on a two way contract? Sure but he'd be competing with countless prospects for those slots.
Could he go back to the G League and hope his strong play gets a call up? Sure. Anything is possible.
Personally I want him to succeed for obvious reasons and for me, that's dropping out of the draft and just developing further abroad. He just turned 20, he has time. All his talk about watching tapes of Hakeem and Duncan and trying to emulate their footwork is nice but he needs to watch tape of someone like Porzingis and emulate that skillset, preferably while hitting the weight room and doing some bench presses or something.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 24, 2022 9:58:15 GMT -5
Via Givony: "Dyson Daniels had (in my view) the most impressive showing of any prospect on the Pro Day circuit at the NBA Combine, shooting the lights out and looking like he still has immense potential he's yet to tap into. Starting to generate some top-five pick buzz."
Was saying earlier this guy had a Josh Giddey-type feel to him. Felt he made perfect sense for NO at #8 but he might not be there. Granted you can argue that none of the teams from 4 to 7 *need* a PG but being 6'7" obviously creates flexibility, similar to OKC drafting Giddey despite having a handful of PGs already - including SGA.
Could we see a shocker of Daniels going #3 to HOU? That's really the one team in the top 7 that could use a PG.
Sharpe also came away with an impressive showing. His value may be going from "very intriguing" to just simply a "very good prospect". He also measured well. He still makes a ton of sense to me at #4 to Sacramento. Then again, if HOU does make a surprise pick with Daniels at #3 and SAC suddenly has Banchero fall into their lap, have to wonder what they opt to do.
Another intriguing prospect is Tari Eason. Physically he compares to Kawhi and he had a great season at LSU.
Lastly, and obviously this is a biased opinion, but some team will get a steal with Kofi Cockburn. At 7'0" 293 with a 7'4.25 wingspan, he is HUGE. Except he is 8.2% body fat, meaning it's not, well, fat. He has no range on his shot, will have issues on defense when he is switched and is simply an old school big who does his damage in the post. Obviously that has less value now than it did the 1990s but he can still be a dominant presence down low with surprising explosiveness despite his massive frame.
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Post by doakley8 on May 24, 2022 10:40:23 GMT -5
Never heard of him but saw he went 12-7-5-2 in G-league. looks to be a good defender
I'll look for him in our Dynasty league with one of my picks..oh wait..I think I have only a 2023 2nd rounder (maybe)
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Post by eddieeddie on May 24, 2022 11:34:10 GMT -5
I have 8 and 10 and might miss out on Daniels but the more draft info I read/hear, I'm intrigued by the prospects that should be available there.
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Post by YoungThundercat on May 24, 2022 14:53:20 GMT -5
I have 8 and 10 and might miss out on Daniels but the more draft info I read/hear, I'm intrigued by the prospects that should be available there. That's how I felt a few weeks ago when I was at 9. Lots of interesting dart throws to be made there. Obviously my draft experience is going to be a bit more boring...most likely getting whichever two of the three doesn't go #1, but I'm still slotted at #15 (2.03) and #19 (2.07) so I've still got some deeper digging to do
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Post by eddieeddie on May 24, 2022 15:11:18 GMT -5
At 8/10, I'm looking at options in that K. Murray, Dyson Daniels, Duren, Griffin, Sochan, Eason, Mathurin, Johhny Davis, Mark Williams group.
Things will obviously be a little more crystalized when the NBA Draft actually happens.
I'll do my best though to not fall into the James Bouknight-trap where he was a lottery pick, a solid college player and walked into a good opportunity and it just felt like a no-brainer to work out. Nope. Not yet anyways.
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Post by YoungThundercat on May 24, 2022 15:33:30 GMT -5
I'm hoping Mark Williams is a bit boring for some or maybe falls to a less than ideal situation and is available at 2.03.
But beyond that, I think you're just shooting for a skillet in this draft unless there's an incredible fit.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 25, 2022 15:14:43 GMT -5
NBC mock, via Yahoo:
1. ORL Smith 2. OKC Chet 3. HOU Banchero 4. SAC Sharpe 5. DET Murray 6. IND Ivey 7. POR Mathurin 8. NO Daniels 9. SAS Griffin 10. WAS Sochan 11. NY M. Williams 12. OKC J. Davis 13. CHA Eason 14. CLE Agbaji 15. CHA Duren 16. ATL Dieng
Getting Eason/Duren would go a long way towards improving that Hornets frontcourt. I prefer Ivey to DET but I can see them also going Murray, esp. given they are set on moving Grant. I mocked Daniels to NO myself and feel that'll be a popular mock pick going forward. He makes way too much sense for that team.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 17, 2022 17:35:10 GMT -5
Via HR: "The No. 4 overall pick, currently held by the Kings, is generating significant trade interest from teams further down in the draft order, ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski said during NBA Countdown on Thursday night (video link)."
The Kings should absolutely trade the #4 pick if teams want to move up for Ivey. They need veteran help so they can make the playoffs, not another "young prospect". Detroit, Indy, NY and Washington are said to be among the teams open to moving up.
I wonder if Washington would want to move up enough to be willing to include Kuzma. They can even incorporate a 3 team trade where Sacramento ships out Holmes.
SAC gets Kuzma + #10
WAS gets #4 + Plumlee
CHA gets Holmes
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Post by varsity on Jun 17, 2022 18:02:13 GMT -5
Kuzma and 10 is a steep price to move up. He was 17/9 last year and arguably had his best season since being in the league. I like Ivey and think he's a difference maker but Beal wants to win now so I'm not sure if moving a contributor like Kuzma helps the process.
But I agree the Kings should absolutely move out of #4 especially if Ivey is the guy teams target. They already have a logjam at that position and why not move down, collect some more assets and players who can actually help new coach Mike Brown try to make this team competitive.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 17, 2022 18:55:56 GMT -5
Kuzma and 10 is a steep price to move up. He was 17/9 last year and arguably had his best season since being in the league. I like Ivey and think he's a difference maker but Beal wants to win now so I'm not sure if moving a contributor like Kuzma helps the process.
Definitely a steep price. I just wonder with Porzingis now in the fold and Kuzma entering a potential contract year, if now might be the time to capitalize on his potential trade value. But you're right in that Beal wants to win now and parting with Kuz to move up for a rookie might be a bit counterproductive. If anything they should offer Rui and #10 for Harkless and #4. If the Kings like Rui as much as I do and view him as a potential PF next to Sabonis, it could be worth considering.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 18, 2022 12:34:34 GMT -5
Actually if Detroit really is that eager to move up one spot for Ivey and Sacramento is eager to win now and willing to commit financially, a swap involving #4 for #5 and Grant could serve as a backbone. Obviously the Kings would need to add something extra given Detroit values Grant, even if they don't intend to keep him. A 3 team trade makes the most sense utilizing Holmes' value.
Something like:
Detroit gets #4, Plumlee, Justin Holiday, two 2nd rd picks from CHA and one 2nd rd pick from SAC
Sacramento gets #5 and Grant Charlotte gets Holmes
Sacramento gets a strong win now piece in Grant to go with Fox/Sabonis/Barnes and still stay at #5 to add a strong prospect. Charlotte upgrades at C. Detroit moves up to get their guy in Ivey, some added picks and Plumlee/Holiday are either useable veterans or tradeable expiring contracts.
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Post by obitron64 on Jun 23, 2022 18:49:22 GMT -5
Let's see what the knicks can do to screw up tonight?
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Post by obitron64 on Jun 23, 2022 18:49:40 GMT -5
Sports Caster to Ivey “So the kings have the 4th pick and are projected to take you. Why didn’t you work out for them or give them your medicals?”
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Post by obitron64 on Jun 23, 2022 18:51:59 GMT -5
This is a well dressed class. I'm excited for CHET!
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Post by obitron64 on Jun 23, 2022 18:56:23 GMT -5
These parents are absolute units.
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