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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 18, 2020 21:33:00 GMT -5
Thank you Boston for drafting Aaron Nesmith so Jay Bilas can move on to something new from mentioning Nesmith as a potential pick because of how great of a shooter he is. Between Langford last year and Nesmith now, they are definitely loading up the firepower off the bench.
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Post by varsity on Nov 18, 2020 21:46:28 GMT -5
Sources: The Clippers are sending No. 19 pick via Brooklyn to the Pistons and receiving Luke Kennard. Nets received Landry Shamet.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 18, 2020 21:54:50 GMT -5
Shamet to Kennard is a quality upgrade for the Clippers, assuming the latter can stay healthy
Pistons turning in to OKC with all these picks. Hayes + Stewart + Bey. New GM Weaver definitely reshaping that team.
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Nov 18, 2020 21:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 18, 2020 21:54:53 GMT -5
Still can't figure out what the Pistons are doing. Great pick up for Nets...Joe Harris? And if Kennard knee is healthy, great add for Clippers
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 18, 2020 21:59:46 GMT -5
Still can't figure out what the Pistons are doing.
Troy Weaver's strength is drafting so he's just stockpiling picks to put his stamp on the team. Brown/Kennard are good players but both are entering contract years. So he moves them for picks to restock the talent on the team and they looked poised to be major players in 2021 free agency if they plan to as well.
The Bey pick could be especially good given the Spurs were said to be considering him strongly at #11. It's never a bad thing to pick a guy the Spurs were eyeing.
Curious to see what they do with Rose and Wood.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 18, 2020 22:03:52 GMT -5
Miami got a steal with Achiuwa at #20. There was rumblings he could go Top 10 to Washington or Phoenix. ESPN had him as their #12 ranked prospect.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 18, 2020 22:32:49 GMT -5
More trades
NY selects Balmaro #23 and trades his rights to NY for #25 Kentucky PG Quickley and #33 NO select RJ Hampton #24 and trade him to DEN for a future pick
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 18, 2020 22:44:51 GMT -5
Utah trading #38 and Tony Bradley to Detroit for future considerations and cash
Utah wanted the cap relief of unloading Bradley's 3.5M salary Detroit just wants another pick because apparently 3 wasn't enough
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 19, 2020 12:53:28 GMT -5
Admittedly not knowing a lot about the prospects but the draft day winners to me thus far look to be:
Charlotte - Even though their best players were guards, LaMelo Ball was the best pick for them IMO. Also this likely prevents them from doing an ill-advised Westbrook trade. Nabbed some nice upside 2nd rd fliers to fill their size need with ACC bigs in Carey Jr/Richards
New York - Toppin at #8 is solid. Plus they turned 27 and 38 into 25 (Quickley) and 33 (traded to LAC for future pick) via two separate deals. Wasn't their plan but hard to argue with the outcome.
Washington - Avdija at #9 is solid and PG Cassius Winston is one of the few people I am very familiar with since he went to Michigan State. Nice nab at #53. Dallas - Came out of the draft with Josh Green and then two fringe 1st rd prospects in the 2nd rd in Tyrell Terry / Tyler Bey. Plus also Josh Richardson. Pretty good value all around to deepen the pool around Luka/Porzingis. If they can turn THJ's expiring deal into something solid, would be a deadly team next season.
Miami- Team nabbed Bam at 14, Herro at 13 in recent drafts and could have another great find with Achiuwa at 20 to give them the bulk at PF they lakced.
San Antonio - Vassell sounds like a poor man's Kawhi or a rich man's Danny Green. Either way, typical sound SA pick. Duke PG Tre Jones at #41 is tremendous value. Bilas kept plugging him at end of the 1st.
BIG WINNER
Philadelphia - Obviously the big win was unloading Al Horford and his contract but they also moved Josh Richardson and loaded the team up with shooting and/or defense between Danny Green, Terrence Ferguson, Seth Curry. The draft itself yielded great picks. Tyrese Maxey at #21 was a steal, as was Paul Reed at the way end of the 2nd round at #58.
I don't know what their SL will be but the scenario below would have tremendous defensive potential with intriguing firepower off the bench. Pretty much a veteran backup C away from being super stacked.
PG: Simmons, S. Curry, Maxey
SG: Green, Milton, Z. Smith
SF: Thybulle, Ferguson, Kormaz
PF: Harris, Scott, P. Reed
C: Embiid, Pelle
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 19, 2020 20:22:32 GMT -5
Damn...Nico fell to 48?? And the Warriors? What a steal. Great fit too. I thought he would go mid 20s
Lol yea..I'm a lil late but just read about it
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 20, 2020 8:38:59 GMT -5
Damn...Nico fell to 48?? And the Warriors? What a steal. Great fit too. I thought he would go mid 20s
Definitely one of several unexpected slides into the 2nd round. Terry. Bey. Reed. Scrubb.
The Pac-12 did well this draft. 6 in the 1st and 3 more in the 2nd.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 21, 2021 14:46:41 GMT -5
Draft Lottery is tomorrow at 5:30pm PT Via CBS Houston Rockets: Chance at No. 1: 14.0% | Chance at No. 2: 13.4% Detroit Pistons: Chance at No. 1: 14.0% | Chance at No. 2: 13.4% Orlando Magic: Chance at No. 1: 14.0% | Chance at No. 2: 13.4%
Oklahoma City Thunder: Chance at No. 1: 11.5% | Chance at No. 2: 11.4% Cleveland Cavaliers: Chance at No. 1: 11.5% | Chance at No. 2: 11.4%
Minnesota Timberwolves: Chance at No. 1: 9.0% | Chance at No. 2: 9.2%
Toronto Raptors: Chance at No. 1: 7.5% | Chance at No. 2: 7.8%
Chicago Bulls: Chance at No. 1: 4.5% | Chance at No. 2: 4.8%
Sacramento Kings: Chance at No. 1: 4.5% | Chance at No. 2: 4.8%
New Orleans Pelicans: Chance at No. 1: 4.5% | Chance at No. 2: 4.8%
Charlotte Hornets: Chance at No. 1: 1.8% | Chance at No. 2: 2.0% San Antonio Spurs: Chance at No. 1: 1.7% | Chance at No. 2: 1.9%
Indiana Pacers: Chance at No. 1: 1.0% | Chance at No. 2: 1.1%
Golden State Warriors: Chance at No. 1: 0.5% | Chance at No. 2: 0.6%
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 21, 2021 14:56:41 GMT -5
I've questioned the direction of the Pistons but if they can stick in the top 3 and draft one of Cade, Green, Mobley, they have a core I can be excited about to go with Hayes, Bey, Stewart. They can turn their vets Jerami Grant/Plumlee into expiring contracts + young talent and/or picks and expand on their already massive 2022 cap space.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 23, 2021 10:45:10 GMT -5
NBA Order Post-Lottery
1. DET 2. HOU 3. CLE - moved up from 5:
4. TOR - moved up from 7:
5. ORL 6. OKC 7. GSW (via MIN) 8. ORL (via CHI) 9: SAC 10: NO 11: CHA 12: SA 13: IND 14: GSW
Obviously everyone is saying Cade #1 but my friend who is a Pistons fan - he moved to LA from Detroit because of his job - actually prefers Jalen Green because he thinks their biggest need is a big time scorer and most analysts believe Green has elite scoring potential. It'd be a shock to see Pistons draft Green over Cade at #1 but it does represent a trade-down opportunity with HOU or CLE should either want to move up. Personally I can see the Cavs being very interested because Cade is a 6'8 PG and that'd obviously help address their primary issues over size in the backcourt. They can put Cade next to Sexton and shop Garland.
I like Mobley to Houston. He's perfect for today's NBA with his mobility and perimeter skills on offense but he also gives them big time defensive potential. Wood + Mobley can be the new age twin towers.
Toronto moving up is huge for them because they are basically guaranteed one of Suggs, Green, Mobley at #4 and all would fill a big need. Suggs as a 6'4" PG with strong defense and proven clutch play is basically the new Kyle Lowry and we know that works next to FVV.
Orlando will be happy with Kuminga to add to their arsenal of young talent, provided those guys - Fultz, Isaac, Okeke etc - can ever stay healthy. Then at #8 just go BPA. No clue who that is but for fun Franz Wagner? Since they did sign Mo late last season.
GSW with picks #7 and #14 and getting Klay back (presumably). They are primed for next year. Curious to see what they do with these picks or if they even keep them but they could add 2 big time prospects here. Davion Mitchell from Baylor as the heir to Steph Curry would be an excellent nab at #7.
Weird seeing San Antonio in the lottery again but figure they go frontcourt with DeRozan/Gay hitting free agency and to add to recent picks in Vassell, Keldon Johnson and Samanic.
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Post by varsity on Jun 23, 2021 11:43:25 GMT -5
Obviously everyone is saying Cade #1 but my friend who is a Pistons fan - he moved to LA from Detroit because of his job - actually prefers Jalen Green because he thinks their biggest need is a big time scorer and most analysts believe Green has elite scoring potential. It'd be a shock to see Pistons draft Green over Cade at #1 but it does represent a trade-down opportunity with HOU or CLE should either want to move up. Personally I can see the Cavs being very interested because Cade is a 6'8 PG and that'd obviously help address their primary issues over size in the backcourt. They can put Cade next to Sexton and shop Garland. Cade reportedly won't work out for any other team besides Detroit. His representatives reportedly told teams that he was only going to work out with the No. 1 team and taking no requests for anyone else. I, too, would be shocked if the Pistons trade out of the pick or don't take Cade Cunningham. I think it would take a huge haul including possibly a established veteran player and some picks for me to even consider it. Plus I don't think Jalen Green slides past #2 for the reasons you stated. I'm extremely curious to see what Houston does with this pick. They need a lot of help and a lot of financial relief. I can see the Rockets being the team that moves down for multiple picks and salary relief. I don't think they can offload Wall but I can see them asking teams to take Eric Gordon if they are interested in moving up. Would a team like Orlando with #5 & #8 be willing to take Eric Gordon to move up to #2?
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 23, 2021 12:01:21 GMT -5
If Orlando offered Gary Harris (and his expiring contract), #5, #8 for Gordon and #2, I 100% think the Rockets at least listen as they can offload the 19.6M owed to Gordon in 2022-2013 and get two cost-controlled rookies in the Top 8.
That said, the team I'd like to see get aggressive is OKC. They can make a strong offer to Houston since they have #6, #16, #34, #35, #55 this year alone, along with a treasure trove of future picks. They also have young cheap talent AND the cap space to outright absorb Eric Gordon. Whether it's moving up for Green to add a #1 scorer-type to pair with SGA or for Mobley to solidify the C spot, they can use their flexibility to add a big time prospect.
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Jun 23, 2021 15:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jun 23, 2021 15:23:58 GMT -5
NBA Order Post-Lottery 1. DET 2. HOU 3. CLE - moved up from 5:
4. TOR - moved up from 7:
5. ORL 6. OKC 7. GSW (via MIN) 8. ORL (via CHI) 9: SAC 10: NO 11: CHA 12: SA 13: IND 14: GSW Obviously everyone is saying Cade #1 but my friend who is a Pistons fan - he moved to LA from Detroit because of his job - actually prefers Jalen Green because he thinks their biggest need is a big time scorer and most analysts believe Green has elite scoring potential. It'd be a shock to see Pistons draft Green over Cade at #1 but it does represent a trade-down opportunity with HOU or CLE should either want to move up. Personally I can see the Cavs being very interested because Cade is a 6'8 PG and that'd obviously help address their primary issues over size in the backcourt. They can put Cade next to Sexton and shop Garland.
I like Mobley to Houston. He's perfect for today's NBA with his mobility and perimeter skills on offense but he also gives them big time defensive potential. Wood + Mobley can be the new age twin towers.
Toronto moving up is huge for them because they are basically guaranteed one of Suggs, Green, Mobley at #4 and all would fill a big need. Suggs as a 6'4" PG with strong defense and proven clutch play is basically the new Kyle Lowry and we know that works next to FVV. Orlando will be happy with Kuminga to add to their arsenal of young talent, provided those guys - Fultz, Isaac, Okeke etc - can ever stay healthy. Then at #8 just go BPA. No clue who that is but for fun Franz Wagner? Since they did sign Mo late last season.
GSW with picks #7 and #14 and getting Klay back (presumably). They are primed for next year. Curious to see what they do with these picks or if they even keep them but they could add 2 big time prospects here. Davion Mitchell from Baylor as the heir to Steph Curry would be an excellent nab at #7. Weird seeing San Antonio in the lottery again but figure they go frontcourt with DeRozan/Gay hitting free agency and to add to recent picks in Vassell, Keldon Johnson and Samanic.
Honestly this kind of goes back to the Ayton/Luka, Olajuwon/MJ discussion we had in the other thread. If you believe that Cade and Mobley are what people think they are, then Detroit and Houston would be stupid to let "fit", finances or future draft considerations move you off of them... specifically Cade. I get what your friend is saying about Green, and I like him too...but it feels a lot like saying, "We need a scorer, not a facilitator. We should draft Carmelo over LeBron." Obviously, not trying to compare Cade and Jalen to those guys, but if Cade is a top top...All NBA type player, there's nothing worth him in a trade.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 23, 2021 15:55:18 GMT -5
100% agree. Detroit is not in any position to focus on "fit" anyhow. If Cade is atop their draft board, which he should be, then they need to go ahead and draft him - regardless of Green filling a more obvious need. They can address their need for scoring through the trade market.
On the surface I felt they should shop Grant but I think they might do well to keep him and his two way play - and his 22.3ppg - as a veteran presence in an otherwise ridiculously raw lineup if they went Cade, Hayes, Bey, Stewart as starters. They can shop Plumlee and then vets on expiring deals like Joseph, McGruder and Jackson to patch around the roster.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 23, 2021 16:27:56 GMT -5
I do expect some legit movement in this draft given how many teams have multiple picks in the top 36
GSW: 7, 14
HOU: 2, 23, 24
NY: 19, 21, 32 ORL: 5, 8, 33
OKC: 6, 16, 18, 34, 36
If the Lakers wanted to try and nab a 2nd rd pick, definitely opportunities. New Orleans has 4 2nd rd picks and Detroit/OKC/BKN have 3 each.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jun 23, 2021 19:02:44 GMT -5
Roy Parry of the Orlando Sentinel did suggest that ORL could look to package one of #5 or #8 to Gary Harris or Terrence Ross to try and move up. Presumably into the Top 4 as word is they were very disappointed to slide from #3 pre-lottery to #5. I doubt they put much effort into moving from #8 to #7 or #6
Detroit: No way do they bite at #1 obviously for that package.
Houston: I'm sure Houston would try and push Wall in any talks but realistically Orlando would just be open to taking on Gordon's contract. Perhaps something like Gordon, Augustin and #2 for Harris, MCW, #5 and #33? Gives the Rockets about 20M in cap relief, they stay Top 5 and can add a cheap prospect at #33. Houston coach/front office likely passes as this isn't worth passing on Mobley/Green but the ownership though might be cheap enough to seriously consider it.
Cleveland: The two key questions: Does ORL want to move up enough (for Green or Mobley) to be willing to take on Love and would CLE be willing to slide outside the top 4 to the 2nd tier at 5 (Kuminga, Barnes etc)? If so, then perhaps Love and #3 for Harris, Ross and #5 is feasible.
Toronto: I think they stick Top 4 given what will be available. I'm sure they have fond memories of Ross as a former Raptor but I think they'd rather just draft one of Green/Suggs/Mobley and call it a day.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jul 27, 2021 21:57:46 GMT -5
Just watched the ESPN Mock Draft special
Had Lakers going Jared Butler at #22
6'3" G from National Champions Baylor, played 3 seasons 16ppg 3.2rpg 3.1apg 1.6spg 36.1 3fg% as a sophomore
16.7ppg 3.3rpg 4.8apg 2.0 spg 41.63fg% as a junior
Sounds like a good combo guard who can contribute right away. His backcourt mate Davion Mitchell went #12 to IND.
Mock had Clippers going 6'11" C Day'Ron Sharpe from UNC and Kendrick Perkins loved the pick. 9.5ppg 7.6rpg 1.4apg 0.8spg 0.9bpg 51.9fg% in 19.2mpg as a backup
Seems like a worthwhile flier assuming they are no longer sold on last years worthwhile rookie flier big Daniel Oturu
Overall no surprises
GSW got Kuminga and Duarte. In the absence of a trade, these are two solid picks. Kuminga has the high ceiling while Duarte, at age 24, has the high floor who could impact the team right away as a 3&D.
Alperen Sengun #12 to SA. Don't know much about him but he supposedly looks good and Spurs + Foreign Big just sounds likely Nah'shon Hyland from VCU to PHX at #28 would be a solid get. I'm always a fan of guards from VCU because you know they'll be tough on defense and this guy also scored 19.5ppg.
And lastly Luka Garza, the Naismith Trophy Winner, to IND at #54.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jul 28, 2021 19:45:02 GMT -5
New batch of rumors the day before
Knicks trying to move up to draft Oregon G Duarte - who may go as high as 13 to Indiana if they keep the pick
Hornets, Pacers, Lakers may be open to trading down. Likewise for Pelicans again, who moved from 10 to 17 and may move down again
Wagner may have a promise from the Kings at #9 but he's an option for GSW at #7 GSW trying to move up for Suggs
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Post by obitron64 on Jul 29, 2021 16:53:00 GMT -5
Am I the only one who had no idea the nba draft was tonight? I have no idea who any of these players are.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jul 29, 2021 17:17:04 GMT -5
BKN trade Landry Shamet to PHX for Jevon Carter + #29 -> Nets now have #27, #29, #44, #49, #59 NOP sell #53 to PHI for 2M in cash
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Jul 29, 2021 19:05:42 GMT -5
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Post by doakley8 on Jul 29, 2021 19:05:42 GMT -5
Am I the only one who had no idea the nba draft was tonight? I have no idea who any of these players are. I knew it was tonight..but I probably only know a handful. So can't say I'm too excited over it..moreso the trades
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Post by obitron64 on Jul 29, 2021 19:17:13 GMT -5
Supposed to be the best draft since 2003
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Post by obitron64 on Jul 29, 2021 19:18:14 GMT -5
I am confident the knicks will trade up and find the next Žarko Čabarkapa.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jul 29, 2021 19:29:24 GMT -5
Barnes to Toronto at #4. The first surprise pick but been hearing a ton of hype around him recently and he realistically would have gone to Orlando at #5 or OKC at #6 anyways.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jul 29, 2021 19:41:50 GMT -5
Giddey to OKC at #6 is another surprise but he too was gaining hype in recent days. Ben Simmons-type player.
Also via Shams: Indiana is sending No. 54, No. 60 and two future seconds to Milwaukee for No. 31.
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Post by eddieeddie on Jul 29, 2021 21:18:17 GMT -5
Charlotte is my early winner thus far. Addressed that big hole at the C position with the trade for Plumlee and the drafting of Kai Jones and got a nice gift of high powered scorer Bouknight falling to them at #11
Also, I want to say Joshua Primo was a reach for the Spurs at #12 but the team knows how to draft guards, so I'll defer to their judgment.
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