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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 13:17:44 GMT -5
man, yaw over here typing paragraphs today lol Lemme go back to see who to start at Flex for my $$ fantasy league PS: just ask yourselves....WWJBS What.Would.JBear1.Say
JB would say Lebron/AD is the best duo in the NBA, the Russ trade was amazing because look at his stats off the bench, Austin Reaves and Max Christie are future All-Stars and the Lakers will find a way to get back into contention.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Nov 11, 2022 13:25:48 GMT -5
Well I think you're smart enough (certainly more than me) to understand WHY the Lakers had the ability to put protections on a pick swap when trading for a 38 year old Steve Nash that weren't available to them when trading for a 26 year old Anthony Davis. I'm sure Nets fans DO care about giving away that #1 pick, however it's also not exactly the perfect example seeing as that team didn't accomplish what the post-AD trade Lakers did, which was WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP (you know, the whole point of all of this...) which also happens to be the crux of my argument. Here's where you got me, I must admit: my entire argument is now invalidated because I misconstrued the number of years ago the trade was by a factor of 1 year. The point is, no matter how it seems lately, I as a Lakers fan have 2020. Pelicans fans don't have shit except a nice exciting team 11 games into a season. I think if you'd ask them, they'd trade those experiences. I will push back on the Wenbanyama/Scoot part. What part of the Lakers ownership experience or the LeBron James/Rich Paul/Klutch Sports experience would lead you to believe that if the Anthony Davis trade had not gone down THREE years ago, that those picks would belong to the Lakers right now anyways? More than likely those picks would be getting handed over to Portland or Houston or Washington and we'd still be having the same conversation, but probably with one less banner hanging in Crypto. Am I bummed that my favorite team sucks right now? Yeah. Does the future look grim? Sure does. Was it worth it to win a championship? Every time. I was in no way comparing the Nash trade to the AD trade. I was simply saying that I choose to be consistent in my approach that if I care enough to not lose a top two pick due to a swap, I should probably care enough to correspondingly lose one. Correct, the Lakers accomplished what they set out to do with the AD trade and that is win a title. The Nets did not. This does not alter my point that sports is all about what have you done for me lately and losing a top two pick stings regardless. It doesn't invalidate the success/failures of the trade but is a consistent feeling no matter what because of the loss itself.
I'm sorry that you got butthurt by my correction where you needed to respond with an asshole sounding remark but I'm simply saying that if you're going to be sarcastic about the trade happening X number of years ago as a means of diminishing the importance of future costs, at least be correct in what X is.
I'm sure the Pelicans would gladly trade the experience of the 2020 title for whatever they ultimately end up getting in the AD trade. Ultimately that's irrelevant because that wasn't going to happen. The team had AD for 7 years and it resulted in 2 playoff appearances, 1 series won and he was forcing his way out and had leverage due to eventual free agency. So they did what they had to do and it's turned out great for them in their own context and would look even better - for them - if they land a top 2 pick this coming draft. Plus last I checked they made the playoffs last year and the Lakers didn't. Also it's 12 games into the season, not 11 Nothing about the current Lakers would suggest that they'd have ultimately ended up with a pick that led to Wenbanyma/Scoot without the AD trade because they'd have either traded it elsewhere or found some way to not suck their way into this pick due to some other win-now transactions that at least made them respectable. The point isn't what could have been in a reality where the AD trade didn't happen. The point is what is happening now and all I did was make a tongue in cheek comment about the Lakers sucking and giving the Pelicans a top 2 pick in this particular draft with these 2 particular prospects that you overreacted to. I get it, you are bummed because the team sucks and the future is gross but dude, calm down. No one is taking away the 2020 title. People are just discussing 2022 life. That's all.
Oh boy, okay. Well I'm sorry about my asshole sounding remark that was in reference to your original asshole remark. Because while you are correct, it was 3 years and not 4, it doesn't actually change the conversation other than giving you the small serotonin boost of "dunking" on me. I can appreciate your view of wanting to be careful with future considerations like whether or not to trade picks, protections on swaps...I even agree as I've stated before....on deals that haven't happened yet. AD trade is already done. Picks are already unprotected and swapped. Can't change it. Worthless to argue or get upset about what can't be changed. And you can try to paint me as hysterical, for some reason...that I should calm down and go touch grass or some shit, but believe me, I'm fine. Because I'm not the person constantly posting 5 paragraph soliloquies whenever they get their balls busted.....or would you like to repost Lauri Markkanen's stat line again for the 8th time this week
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 13:37:12 GMT -5
I was in no way comparing the Nash trade to the AD trade. I was simply saying that I choose to be consistent in my approach that if I care enough to not lose a top two pick due to a swap, I should probably care enough to correspondingly lose one. Correct, the Lakers accomplished what they set out to do with the AD trade and that is win a title. The Nets did not. This does not alter my point that sports is all about what have you done for me lately and losing a top two pick stings regardless. It doesn't invalidate the success/failures of the trade but is a consistent feeling no matter what because of the loss itself.
I'm sorry that you got butthurt by my correction where you needed to respond with an asshole sounding remark but I'm simply saying that if you're going to be sarcastic about the trade happening X number of years ago as a means of diminishing the importance of future costs, at least be correct in what X is.
I'm sure the Pelicans would gladly trade the experience of the 2020 title for whatever they ultimately end up getting in the AD trade. Ultimately that's irrelevant because that wasn't going to happen. The team had AD for 7 years and it resulted in 2 playoff appearances, 1 series won and he was forcing his way out and had leverage due to eventual free agency. So they did what they had to do and it's turned out great for them in their own context and would look even better - for them - if they land a top 2 pick this coming draft. Plus last I checked they made the playoffs last year and the Lakers didn't. Also it's 12 games into the season, not 11 Nothing about the current Lakers would suggest that they'd have ultimately ended up with a pick that led to Wenbanyma/Scoot without the AD trade because they'd have either traded it elsewhere or found some way to not suck their way into this pick due to some other win-now transactions that at least made them respectable. The point isn't what could have been in a reality where the AD trade didn't happen. The point is what is happening now and all I did was make a tongue in cheek comment about the Lakers sucking and giving the Pelicans a top 2 pick in this particular draft with these 2 particular prospects that you overreacted to. I get it, you are bummed because the team sucks and the future is gross but dude, calm down. No one is taking away the 2020 title. People are just discussing 2022 life. That's all.
Oh boy, okay. Well I'm sorry about my asshole sounding remark that was in reference to your original asshole remark. Because while you are correct, it was 3 years and not 4, it doesn't actually change the conversation other than giving you the small serotonin boost of "dunking" on me. I can appreciate your view of wanting to be careful with future considerations like whether or not to trade picks, protections on swaps...I even agree as I've stated before....on deals that haven't happened yet. AD trade is already done. Picks are already unprotected and swapped. Can't change it. Worthless to argue or get upset about what can't be changed. And you can try to paint me as hysterical, for some reason...that I should calm down and go touch grass or some shit, but believe me, I'm fine. Because I'm not the person constantly posting 5 paragraph soliloquies whenever they get their balls busted.....or would you like to repost Lauri Markkanen's stat line again for the 8th time this week
You made a statement that attached some level of importance to how long ago the AD trade happened and I was letting you know the number you provided was inaccurate. No ill-intent meant. If you think this was "dunking" on you and that I got any level of satisfaction out of it, then you need to reassess which one of us overreacts to getting their balls busted.
Yes the AD trade is done. The pick swap is going to happen regardless. That said, if the Lakers end up giving up a top 2 pick in this coming draft because they sucked - with AD - versus a pick in the 20s if they were actually good, yeah I'm going to get upset about it because ultimately it just ties into the cost for AD. If you're happy with the 2020 title and everything else is gravy, again you do you. If you think arguing over this is worthless, then why keep pestering me about my opinion. I care.
Yeah I type a lot. Your responses aren't exactly short either. You're the one flipping out and cursing and tossing in sarcastic remark after sarcastic remark. I'm not the hysterical one here.
Anyways, this has gone off the rails. I care if the Lakers give up a top 2 2023 pick due to the AD trade. You don't. Agree to disagree and we can go back to talking about the Lakers sucking and how awesome Lauri Markkanen has been (22.7ppg 8.8rpg 2.5apg 0.9bpg 2.2 3pg 52.7fg% 87.9ft% through 13 games).
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Post by varsity on Nov 11, 2022 15:04:18 GMT -5
You weren't around when Jbear was on our scout board? damn...you missed out. He was a legend. He would not be enjoying this 2-9 Lakers team. I only got a limited dose of JBear because I was mainly on the Knicks board. But if he was anything like thefatkid and his rose colored Knicks glasses, I'd imagine he'd find something positive to say about this team.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 11, 2022 15:12:45 GMT -5
Rose Colored!..That's why EE would hit him with..I couldnt think of the wording. JB was laughable..but I gave him credit for always defending his team. That was EE's whipping boy. Hate Scout didnt get us time to crossover
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Post by wareagle on Nov 11, 2022 15:27:51 GMT -5
Man, that was some good popcorn!!
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 15:45:08 GMT -5
You weren't around when Jbear was on our scout board? damn...you missed out. He was a legend. He would not be enjoying this 2-9 Lakers team. I only got a limited dose of JBear because I was mainly on the Knicks board. But if he was anything like thefatkid and his rose colored Knicks glasses, I'd imagine he'd find something positive to say about this team.
Oh man. The days of TFK were great. The way he ardently defended the Knicks - especially during the IT era - is definitely akin to JB for the Lakers.
They both similarly thought that anyone their team drafted/added who was under the age of 25 was the next great superstar. Even if they were Derrick Caracter or Landry Fields.
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Post by varsity on Nov 11, 2022 15:54:58 GMT -5
Renaldo Balkman
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 15:58:19 GMT -5
The best though was his defense of all things Eddy Curry
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 12, 2022 12:31:06 GMT -5
I will add - respectfully - on the topic of the whole Lakers/Pelicans pick swap, we should care about what we pick give them because it's really not in the Lakers' best interest for the Pelicans, a team with a strong core of McCollum/Ingram/Zion/Val + a handful of other solid young pieces, to be in position to add a prospect like Wendambaya/Scoot. They are in the same conference as the Lakers and making them stronger obviously presents a greater roadblock for future success. That's why it's ideal for the crappy teams to be atop the draft order because you're a lot less concerned if say Detroit or Houston lands those guys. Just look at how much a difference the Nets/Morons draft swap impacted the latter. They were a 53-29 team and thanks to the pick swap were able to land Tatum and we've seen their success since. The Pelicans are wildly unlikely to be 53-29 but point is when a fairly capable team is gifted a high pick that equates to an impactful prospect, it gives them that unexpected elevation as a competitive squad. Again, this doesn't change the AD trade in any capacity but it's a reason why Laker fans should *care* about where that pick ends up.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 15, 2022 15:05:23 GMT -5
Also the Lakers themselves seem to care.
Via Marc Stein: "There is already a palpable fear inside (what I still like to call) Staples Center that the Purple & Gold are careening toward a draft in June in which the New Orleans Pelicans are gleefully positioned to swap picks with L.A. as a condition of the Anthony Davis blockbuster deal in July 2019.”
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 15, 2022 15:32:54 GMT -5
3rd pick in the draft
Career ave of 10.5/5/1.5
Missed approx 200 games
Bust or nah?
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 15, 2022 16:06:48 GMT -5
My first thought was Nerlens Noel with the 1.5 being bpg.
Which in that case, huge bust.
Am I right?
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 15, 2022 16:09:56 GMT -5
na, although would have been a really good guess same draft class, McCollum looks to be the best player
lots of busts in that draft
* correction..Gobert is clearly best player
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 15, 2022 16:58:19 GMT -5
3rd pick in the draft Career ave of 10.5/5/1.5 Missed approx 200 games Bust or nah?
I mean, he didn't live up to expectations/draft pick but he did have a fairly decent 4 year stretch early on before injuries wildly derailed him. Bust, yes, but definitely not on the level of a lot of other busts.
Actually if you look at the last 40+ years the #3 pick has been really really solid.
MJ. Nique'. McHale. Hill. Pau. Melo. Harden. Beal. Embiid. Jaylen. Tatum. Luka.
Penny. Laettner. Stackhouse. Billups. Baron Davis. Deron Williams. Horford. Sean Elliott. Buck Williams. LaFrentz. Dunleavy. Ben Gordon. OJ Mayo. RJ Barrett. LaMelo Ball. Evan Mobley.
Favors. Kanter. B. Owens. Abdul-Rauf. C. Smith. Benjamin. McCray. Cartwright. Miles.
Really the only true busts were Adam Morrison, Dennis Hopson, Chris Washburn and Jahlil Okafor
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 15, 2022 16:59:43 GMT -5
na, although would have been a really good guess same draft class, McCollum looks to be the best player lots of busts in that draft * correction..Gobert is clearly best player
That Giannis guy was in this draft also.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 15, 2022 18:03:44 GMT -5
I think OPJ was a bust..not Anthony Bennett bust but a bust
and didn't even see Freak on that list.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 15, 2022 18:46:14 GMT -5
I think OPJ was a bust..not Anthony Bennett bust but a bust and didn't even see Freak on that list.
Yup. Bust, yes, but definitely not on the level of a lot of other busts.
4 fairly good seasons as a starter. Still in the NBA in his 10th season. Did win a ring where he was a viable rotation player in both the regular and postseason. Not what you hope for from the #3 pick but he's relatively low on the list of draft busts.
Especially when you consider the three years before his draft Kidd-Gilchrist, Thomas Robinson, Derrick Williams, Wes Johnson, Ekpe Udoh, Vesely were picked inside the top 6.
Then the three years after had Exum, Okafor, Hezonja, Dragan Bender, Cauley-Stein and Kris Dunn picked inside the top 6.
Now here is a question: Do you consider Jabari Parker a bust? I sure as heck do because I thought he was a sure fire NBA stud and how good he looked early on. I didn't really have expectations for OPJ.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 15, 2022 18:56:13 GMT -5
Parker and Okafor are a long list of Dukie busts. Confirmed bust. I don't even think he's playing basketball anywhere.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 15, 2022 19:07:01 GMT -5
Crazy how Duke has had 28 guys drafted since 2014/2015, when Parker/Okafor were drafted.
Ingram. Tatum. Zion. Great.
Probably Banchero if he could just get healthy. Barrett, WCJ. Trent pretty solid.
Tre Jones. Tyus Jones. Grayson Allen. Reddish. Bagley. Kennard. Winslow. Legit NBA players.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 15, 2022 19:30:46 GMT -5
And the legendary Mason Plumlee lol my guy.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 16, 2022 10:55:19 GMT -5
Breaking: Nets are tired of Ben Simmons, because he sucks and showing no desire.
or that's pretty much the news
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 16, 2022 11:16:58 GMT -5
Breaking: Nets are tired of Ben Simmons, because he sucks and showing no desire. or that's pretty much the news
I saw that quote on FB and was like "Uhhhhh.... obviously".
People say the hate on Ben and Kyrie is excessive BUT in my opinion it's warranted for the most part.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 16, 2022 12:44:54 GMT -5
http://instagram.com/p/ClB72CIPcma Well damn, somebody get the Net's teammates out from underneath that bus. Sounds like a great locker room atmosphere. But "no disrespect" lol
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Post by varsity on Nov 16, 2022 13:50:21 GMT -5
LMAO @ "no disrespect."
But y'all are bums. No disrespect.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 16, 2022 13:54:15 GMT -5
Yea, that was something you say that you don't want to get out. Some oldschool Kobe talk right there. But he says it in a one on one interview. nah..that can't make the squad happy.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 16, 2022 16:07:33 GMT -5
Claxton is averaging 11.5ppg 8.5rpg 1.9bpg and leading the league with a 71.8fg% this season
The Nets traded a 1st rd pick for Royce O'Neale, who was a full-time starter for 3 years with the Jazz before this season Joe Harris is an elite 3pt shooter and has been a Nets starter since 2018
Yeah it's not Kyrie and peak Ben Simmons but you're not playing with G-League guys.
Claxton/O'Neal/Harris should be pissed at this ludicrous comment but the guy who should feel most thrown under the bus is Edmond Sumner because he really is the name that sticks out like a sore thumb here.
Plus the team is 4-3 with this SL. If KD is as amazing as he thinks he is in his own head, he should be able to lead this bunch to maybe not losses to the Lakers and Kings.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 17, 2022 11:08:27 GMT -5
Via Marc Stein: "There have been some credible rumbles this week that the Suns have made progress on finding a trade resolution to the Jae Crowder saga. Crowder's cryptic IG story appears to address to feed into that notion ... "
Not going to lie, totally forgot about him.
They are pretty thin in the frontcourt with Cam Johnson out, so definitely see the impetus to make a move. Surprised though a now healthy Dario Saric isn't more of a factor.
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Post by varsity on Nov 17, 2022 12:16:58 GMT -5
Via Marc Stein: "There have been some credible rumbles this week that the Suns have made progress on finding a trade resolution to the Jae Crowder saga. Crowder's cryptic IG story appears to address to feed into that notion ... "
Not going to lie, totally forgot about him.
They are pretty thin in the frontcourt with Cam Johnson out, so definitely see the impetus to make a move. Surprised though a now healthy Dario Saric isn't more of a factor.
Jake Fischer of Yahoo Sports is reporting the Suns are finalizing a 3 team deal with Crowder involved. No indications on the three teams. My guess is the Heat and Bucks are the leading candidates for Crowder as they have been the most frequently named destinations. Grayson Allen is also rumored to be on trade market.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 17, 2022 12:47:26 GMT -5
Allen to Suns makes a ton of sense..same with Crowder to Bucks Not sure what Miami would throw in, but they need a shake up, maybe some front court depth.
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