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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 5, 2022 8:34:25 GMT -5
I did say that despite moving Mitchell/Gobert/Bogdanovic, Utah still had enough talent to be competitive. That said, being 7-3 and beating the Lakers at home is definitely more than I thought.
Markkanen. Beast 22.2ppg 9.4rpg 51.5fg%.
Not that 7-1 Cavs regret the trade of course. They are rolling.
I mean, fwiw bench Russ is def playing way better. And Lonnie Walker is doing a great Malik Monk impression. That said, the depth on the Lakers beyond Lebron, AD, Russ, Walker is quite sad. Pat Bev flat out sucks. I know Matt Ryan made that huge three the other day and is shooting a scorching 54.5% on threes. But he's still Matt Ryan.
Freakin' Warriors benching 4 starters. I'd be so pissed if I was a New Orleans fan who bought tickets. The age old debate about "load management". At least New Orleans won. I mean Golden State can afford to toss the game because of their record. Oh wait, they are 3-7 now. Hmmmmmm.
Blazers balling, even without Dame/Simons. This early stretch allows them to give their depth some solid minutes.
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Post by varsity on Nov 6, 2022 11:12:16 GMT -5
I did say that despite moving Mitchell/Gobert/Bogdanovic, Utah still had enough talent to be competitive. That said, being 7-3 and beating the Lakers at home is definitely more than I thought.
Markkanen. Beast 22.2ppg 9.4rpg 51.5fg%. Quietly Markkanen is having a solid year. It's crazy because I think the perception is bust with him but he's been far from it. He's got career averages of 16/7 and was on the rise until the Bulls decided to cut his minutes the last 2 seasons in Chicago. Health has been an issue but if he keeps up this production for Utah, it's a solid piece and they have him on a team friendly contract for the next 2 seasons. Of course if he does too well, Ainge may move him if the idea is to tank.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 6, 2022 13:08:25 GMT -5
In our dynasty league, I acquired Lauri August 2021.
I referred to Lauri as useful.
I got laughed at by 4 of the members.
Who's laughing now?
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Post by YoungThundercat on Nov 6, 2022 19:11:34 GMT -5
In our dynasty league, I acquired Lauri August 2021. I referred to Lauri as useful. I got laughed at by 4 of the members. Who's laughing now? I was one of/the first to laugh. I also then spent 4 months trying to acquire him during last season/offseason. Still think I was right on both counts. Lake Erie Lauri isn't Mormon Lauri.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 7, 2022 8:54:00 GMT -5
I'm personally enjoying the 2-7 Lakers and LeBron's IG posts for clout, and making everything about him. Can't wait until he breaks Kareem and #justakidfromAkron and his IG posts. Roster really is trash after looking at it lol. AD will break down soon, very soon
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Post by wareagle on Nov 7, 2022 11:44:13 GMT -5
I thought my 1-9 Rockets were gonna be closer to .500 - guess I need to be more patient.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 7, 2022 12:16:10 GMT -5
I'm personally enjoying the 2-7 Lakers and LeBron's IG posts for clout, and making everything about him. Can't wait until he breaks Kareem and #justakidfromAkron and his IG posts. Roster really is trash after looking at it lol. AD will break down soon, very soon
This is probably the worst part about being a Laker fan in recent memory is that in the absence of winning, we have to deal with - primarily through social media - a massive emphasis on individual accomplishments.
Look at this Lebron dunk at his age and how he is climbing up the points rankings
Look how great Russ is playing off the bench. Look, AD is banged up but still out there Look, this doordash guy made a huge three for the Lakers Look, Lonnie Walker can score buckets at will
Never mind. 2-7 record. Never mind how trash this roster is right now. Never mind the team might be saving cap space for the right to sign f'in Kyrie Irving of all people. Never mind Lebron takes nearly 7 threes a game and is shooting 21%. Never mind Pat Bev sucks and Nunn sucks. The list goes on.
I commend Austin Reaves and Matt Ryan for being good 3pt shooters. BUT when they are the ONLY ones getting minutes shooting above 33.3% on threes, it's rough times.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 7, 2022 12:22:42 GMT -5
I thought my 1-9 Rockets were gonna be closer to .500 - guess I need to be more patient.
If this team tanks there way to Scoot Henderson, they are going to be amazing in 2 or 3 years.
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Post by wareagle on Nov 7, 2022 17:49:06 GMT -5
I thought my 1-9 Rockets were gonna be closer to .500 - guess I need to be more patient.
If this team tanks there way to Scoot Henderson, they are going to be amazing in 2 or 3 years.
I hope so - all this losing sucks!!
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 7, 2022 18:53:40 GMT -5
Lebron out today with a foot injury
Lonnie Walker and Pat Bev also out due to illness
And take it with a grain of salt but Bill Simmons says Anthony Davis is up for trade. I mean, AD is AD and averaging 22.5ppg 11.1rpg 2.1bpg 52.9fg%. He is also perpetually banged up, will be 30 in March, owed 38M this season, 40.6M next season and can opt out and be a FA in 2024. So even if he was available, have to wonder where his trade value actually is. With the Lakers' front office, it'll just be AD and Nunn to Brooklyn for Kyrie and Seth Curry
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 7, 2022 19:07:05 GMT -5
My friend in another league: "I was updating my weekly lineup. Why are there no games tomorrow?"
I said: "Probably because there is something far more important going on that day than sports and we'd rather not have fans distracted"
He literally was clueless as to what I was referring to.
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Post by varsity on Nov 9, 2022 15:33:58 GMT -5
Nets finally make Jacques Vaughn their head coach via ESPN.com
They won't admit it but it was too much heat around them and Udoka to hire him.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 10, 2022 12:32:21 GMT -5
The LeBron hater in me is loving the 2-9 and limping off in defeats. AD is slowly but surely going to miss like a month for his back (sucks since I own him in Dynasty league) They might win 30 games if they get hot
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Post by varsity on Nov 10, 2022 13:13:46 GMT -5
LeBron looks tired. Im not going to go far enough to say he's falling off but the few games I've watched this year, he just seems like he's tired. Maybe he's coasting to take care of himself but now with the groin injury, I don't see how this club makes the playoffs. They can't shoot and look disinterested in playing.
I think the worst they are, the more and more a Westbrook trade happens mainly because I don't think they want that pick to be a high one for New Orleans.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 10, 2022 17:20:09 GMT -5
I don't know what is more on brand for the Lakers right now
Lebron getting hurt
or
Lebron complaining that he needs to "learn to flop" because he doesn't think he is getting foul calls.
Can you imagine if the Lakers somehow end up gifting the Pelicans a top 2 pick in this draft?
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Post by YoungThundercat on Nov 11, 2022 5:10:31 GMT -5
Can you imagine if the Lakers somehow end up gifting the Pelicans a top 2 pick in this draft? I keep seeing this sentiment going around....like, who cares? I know it's supposed to be some "lol, gotcha" type thing but that pick is from a trade made 4 years ago before anyone knew who Wenbanyama or Scoot Henderson was. And every pick/swap that's left can be #1 to NO and still LA won that trade until the day the Pelicans lift the Larry O'Brien.
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Post by varsity on Nov 11, 2022 9:54:51 GMT -5
The Pelicans definitely have to make the right pick but I can see why people care from the Lakers perspective.
For one - many expected that trade to net multiple championships not just one. And at this rate it doesn't look like it will. And for some the value of the 2020 championship isn't the same because of the bubble. Personally I feel like a championship is a championship but I've heard people argue that the bubble championship should have an asterisk. If by some slim chance the Lakers win another one with AD/LeBron, then I think people would feel satisfied with it from the Lakers side.
Secondly - From the Pelicans side, it was never a trade that was going to be graded on their ability to win championships. It was a rebuild trade and when you look at where the Pelicans are and where the Lakers are, most would argue the Pelicans have a much better outlook for the future. Add in the fact that this pick could end up being top 3 and netting them a game changing player, then it's easy to see why people are upset. Now they still have to nail the pick but I don't think this trade is a failure if they don't win a championship because again it wasn't the measuring stick for a solid deal.
And lastly, it's the Lakers. If the Hornets make this trade with the Pelicans and win a ring, everyone is satisfied. But Lakers and their fans have the delusion of believing they deserve to win every year.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Nov 11, 2022 10:42:37 GMT -5
The Pelicans definitely have to make the right pick but I can see why people care from the Lakers perspective. For one - many expected that trade to net multiple championships not just one. And at this rate it doesn't look like it will. And for some the value of the 2020 championship isn't the same because of the bubble. Personally I feel like a championship is a championship but I've heard people argue that the bubble championship should have an asterisk. If by some slim chance the Lakers win another one with AD/LeBron, then I think people would feel satisfied with it from the Lakers side. I mean, I get it. Lakers fans and ownership have that Yankees/Cowboys/tOSU football/UK basketball "we are God's gift to the sport"/"we deserve to win for merely existing" attitude (or quite a large swath of fans do). It's annoying to me as a Lakers fan who isn't like that (and someone who lives directly between those two college fanbases while not rooting for either). And certainly the expectation of the LBJ/AD pairing was higher than what has transpired, but it certainly isn't the flop that people who dislike the Lakers are trying to paint it as now. I will push back on the 2020 title asterisk thing. I agree, it's a championship just like any other. But the asterisk crowd doesn't want to put that asterisk on it because of the bubble. It's like 5% because it's the Lakers and everyone loves to hate us (which is fair) and 95% MJ stans wanting to discredit anything LeBron does. Plain and simple in my book. No arguments from this part. New Orleans did what they had to do and took AD's threat to walk seriously. IMO they are really just the political football in this instance for anti-Lakers or anti-LBJ people to try to rewrite history and it's annoying.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 11, 2022 10:47:28 GMT -5
Just say my name next time lol. LBJ for sure has a *bubble chip in my eyes I don't see AD holding up, They'lll end up shutting him down. He came into the league Greek Freak like, then he got bigger, slower, and fell in love with the deep jumper that he sucks at. But he puts up stats...however empty ones.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 12:00:35 GMT -5
Can you imagine if the Lakers somehow end up gifting the Pelicans a top 2 pick in this draft? I keep seeing this sentiment going around....like, who cares? I know it's supposed to be some "lol, gotcha" type thing but that pick is from a trade made 4 years ago before anyone knew who Wenbanyama or Scoot Henderson was. And every pick/swap that's left can be #1 to NO and still LA won that trade until the day the Pelicans lift the Larry O'Brien.
I care.
It's similar to how I cared that the Lakers put in protections on the swap involved in the the Nash trade that prevented them from giving up the #2 pick three years in a row and ultimately they *only* gave up the #10 pick in 2018. If I cared enough to be thankful the Lakers DIDN'T give up top 2 picks, I think I have the right to care if they DID.
It's similar to how Nets fans probably care that they gave up the #1 pick overall in 2017 from a trade made 4 years prior before anyone knew who Fultz or Tatum were. The Nets didn't expect to suck. They did and it cost them. Same situation.
I also care because it's 2022, not 2019 when the trade went down (which btw is 3 years ago, not 4) nor is it 2020 when the Lakers won the title. Obviously I am not taking away the 2020 title, even if some feel it is asterisky. Nor am I saying the Lakers are the greatest thing since sliced bread and deserves nothing but good things. Reality is life is about what have you done for me lately and right now the Lakers suck and Wenbanyama/Scoot Henderson look like generational talents that could have altered the future of the Lakers drastically in a positive direction instead of the gross wasteland we see now where the front office is clinging dearly to cap space and 1st rd picks in 2027 and 2029 because there is nothing else to look forward to.
If you don't care, so be it. You do you. I do.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 11, 2022 12:06:53 GMT -5
Not much noise about the Pacers rookie..but damn dude is a bucket. Never seen him play in college..and only highlights. But looks like he's pretty much just scoring for stats. Stud
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 12:22:17 GMT -5
Not much noise about the Pacers rookie..but damn dude is a bucket. Never seen him play in college..and only highlights. But looks like he's pretty much just scoring for stats. Stud
Saw a lot of him because he is PAC-12
Solid talent. I just thought Indy was not an ideal landing spot. Welp, cream rises to the top - helps Brogdon got moved and Duarte has been hurt/sucking - and he's a stud. What a great pick for them at #6
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Post by YoungThundercat on Nov 11, 2022 12:33:47 GMT -5
Well I think you're smart enough (certainly more than me) to understand WHY the Lakers had the ability to put protections on a pick swap when trading for a 38 year old Steve Nash that weren't available to them when trading for a 26 year old Anthony Davis.
I'm sure Nets fans DO care about giving away that #1 pick, however it's also not exactly the perfect example seeing as that team didn't accomplish what the post-AD trade Lakers did, which was WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP (you know, the whole point of all of this...) which also happens to be the crux of my argument.
Here's where you got me, I must admit: my entire argument is now invalidated because I misconstrued the number of years ago the trade was by a factor of 1 year. The point is, no matter how it seems lately, I as a Lakers fan have 2020. Pelicans fans don't have shit except a nice exciting team 11 games into a season. I think if you'd ask them, they'd trade those experiences.
I will push back on the Wenbanyama/Scoot part. What part of the Lakers ownership experience or the LeBron James/Rich Paul/Klutch Sports experience would lead you to believe that if the Anthony Davis trade had not gone down THREE years ago, that those picks would belong to the Lakers right now anyways? More than likely those picks would be getting handed over to Portland or Houston or Washington and we'd still be having the same conversation, but probably with one less banner hanging in Crypto.
Am I bummed that my favorite team sucks right now? Yeah. Does the future look grim? Sure does. Was it worth it to win a championship? Every time.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 12:39:55 GMT -5
And lastly, it's the Lakers. If the Hornets make this trade with the Pelicans and win a ring, everyone is satisfied. But Lakers and their fans have the delusion of believing they deserve to win every year.
Just to comment on this point since you're making a broad generalization, many Laker fans don't have any delusion of believing we "deserve" to win every year. In fact, I can't count how many years since we've been on this board together where I entered the season vocally expressing quite the opposite. Including last season and this season.
That said, the Lakers' ownership and front office for decades now - especially since Dr. Buss took over - has operated with the mindset that they intend to win every year and generally moves accordingly. So yeah there is a definite "expectation" from many that the Lakers should be in contention every year because that is simply how they sell themselves and why they are smug compared to most other fanbases.
It's the knowledgeable/objective portion of the fanbase who removes themselves from these silly delusions.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 12:53:50 GMT -5
Well I think you're smart enough (certainly more than me) to understand WHY the Lakers had the ability to put protections on a pick swap when trading for a 38 year old Steve Nash that weren't available to them when trading for a 26 year old Anthony Davis. I'm sure Nets fans DO care about giving away that #1 pick, however it's also not exactly the perfect example seeing as that team didn't accomplish what the post-AD trade Lakers did, which was WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP (you know, the whole point of all of this...) which also happens to be the crux of my argument. Here's where you got me, I must admit: my entire argument is now invalidated because I misconstrued the number of years ago the trade was by a factor of 1 year. The point is, no matter how it seems lately, I as a Lakers fan have 2020. Pelicans fans don't have shit except a nice exciting team 11 games into a season. I think if you'd ask them, they'd trade those experiences. I will push back on the Wenbanyama/Scoot part. What part of the Lakers ownership experience or the LeBron James/Rich Paul/Klutch Sports experience would lead you to believe that if the Anthony Davis trade had not gone down THREE years ago, that those picks would belong to the Lakers right now anyways? More than likely those picks would be getting handed over to Portland or Houston or Washington and we'd still be having the same conversation, but probably with one less banner hanging in Crypto. Am I bummed that my favorite team sucks right now? Yeah. Does the future look grim? Sure does. Was it worth it to win a championship? Every time.
I was in no way comparing the Nash trade to the AD trade. I was simply saying that I choose to be consistent in my approach that if I care enough to not lose a top two pick due to a swap, I should probably care enough to correspondingly lose one.
Correct, the Lakers accomplished what they set out to do with the AD trade and that is win a title. The Nets did not. This does not alter my point that sports is all about what have you done for me lately and losing a top two pick stings regardless. It doesn't invalidate the success/failures of the trade but is a consistent feeling no matter what because of the loss itself.
I'm sorry that you got butthurt by my correction where you needed to respond with an asshole sounding remark but I'm simply saying that if you're going to be sarcastic about the trade happening X number of years ago as a means of diminishing the importance of future costs, at least be correct in what X is.
I'm sure the Pelicans would gladly trade the experience of the 2020 title for whatever they ultimately end up getting in the AD trade. Ultimately that's irrelevant because that wasn't going to happen. The team had AD for 7 years and it resulted in 2 playoff appearances, 1 series won and he was forcing his way out and had leverage due to eventual free agency. So they did what they had to do and it's turned out great for them in their own context and would look even better - for them - if they land a top 2 pick this coming draft. Plus last I checked they made the playoffs last year and the Lakers didn't. Also it's 12 games into the season, not 11
Nothing about the current Lakers would suggest that they'd have ultimately ended up with a pick that led to Wenbanyma/Scoot without the AD trade because they'd have either traded it elsewhere or found some way to not suck their way into this pick due to some other win-now transactions that at least made them respectable. The point isn't what could have been in a reality where the AD trade didn't happen. The point is what is happening now and all I did was make a tongue in cheek comment about the Lakers sucking and giving the Pelicans a top 2 pick in this particular draft with these 2 particular prospects that you overreacted to. I get it, you are bummed because the team sucks and the future is gross but dude, calm down. No one is taking away the 2020 title. People are just discussing 2022 life. That's all.
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Post by varsity on Nov 11, 2022 12:59:52 GMT -5
And lastly, it's the Lakers. If the Hornets make this trade with the Pelicans and win a ring, everyone is satisfied. But Lakers and their fans have the delusion of believing they deserve to win every year.
Just to comment on this point since you're making a broad generalization, many Laker fans don't have any delusion of believing we "deserve" to win every year. In fact, I can't count how many years since we've been on this board together where I entered the season vocally expressing quite the opposite. Including last season and this season.
That said, the Lakers' ownership and front office for decades now - especially since Dr. Buss took over - has operated with the mindset that they intend to win every year and generally moves accordingly. So yeah there is a definite "expectation" from many that the Lakers should be in contention every year because that is simply how they sell themselves and why they are smug compared to most other fanbases.
It's the knowledgeable/objective portion of the fanbase who removes themselves from these silly delusions. I disagree to some extent. Mainly because I don't think this board (or previous boards) are an accurate reflection to the expectations of Lakers fans or media. Plus in addition to the Lakers, once you factor in Hollywood, playing in L.A., potential endorsements and capitalizing on outside interests, the expectation is every basketball player should want to play for the Lakers and it's really no reason why the Lakers should ever rebuild. Right now the conversation is centered around the Lakers needing to trade their 2027 and 2029 pick because the importance is to win now. Maybe "deserved" isn't the right term but it's definitely an entitlement that comes along with their fanbase that they should be competing every year. Not playoff competing; championship competing. And there shouldn't be any resource in their way blocking to get it done. Knicks fans had this delusion for years (some still do) that the biggest stage in the NBA is Madison Square Garden and every player should want that stage. But one of the differences between Lakers and Knicks fanbases is if a player says "no" to the Lakers, the Lakers media and fans blame the player. They say "no" to New York, they blame the Knicks organization for not getting it done. And that's why I say Lakers fans have been deluded to believe they should win every year because the organization, former players and local media embraces the mindset that 'Everyone should want to be a Laker and if you don't, you must not want to win' and that even carries throughout losing seasons. I just finished watching the Lakers Hulu dynasty and one of the biggest takeaways from it is Lakers, former Lakers, local media and fans simply can't tolerate losing and have a hard time understanding it. This is why I'm saying I don't believe your perspective is a reflection of the fanbase or at least in the eyes of others.
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 11, 2022 13:01:37 GMT -5
man, yaw over here typing paragraphs today lol Lemme go back to see who to start at Flex for my $$ fantasy league
PS: just ask yourselves....WWJBS
What.Would.JBear1.Say
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Post by YoungThundercat on Nov 11, 2022 13:03:23 GMT -5
man, yaw over here typing paragraphs today lol Lemme go back to see who to start at Flex for my $$ fantasy league PS: just ask yourselves....WWJBS What.Would.JBear1.Say Before my time....so it's an actual question for me
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Post by doakley8 on Nov 11, 2022 13:08:28 GMT -5
You weren't around when Jbear was on our scout board? damn...you missed out. He was a legend. He would not be enjoying this 2-9 Lakers team.
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Post by eddieeddie on Nov 11, 2022 13:16:02 GMT -5
Just to comment on this point since you're making a broad generalization, many Laker fans don't have any delusion of believing we "deserve" to win every year. In fact, I can't count how many years since we've been on this board together where I entered the season vocally expressing quite the opposite. Including last season and this season.
That said, the Lakers' ownership and front office for decades now - especially since Dr. Buss took over - has operated with the mindset that they intend to win every year and generally moves accordingly. So yeah there is a definite "expectation" from many that the Lakers should be in contention every year because that is simply how they sell themselves and why they are smug compared to most other fanbases.
It's the knowledgeable/objective portion of the fanbase who removes themselves from these silly delusions. I disagree to some extent. Mainly because I don't think this board (or previous boards) are an accurate reflection to the expectations of Lakers fans or media. Plus in addition to the Lakers, once you factor in Hollywood, playing in L.A., potential endorsements and capitalizing on outside interests, the expectation is every basketball player should want to play for the Lakers and it's really no reason why the Lakers should ever rebuild. Right now the conversation is centered around the Lakers needing to trade their 2027 and 2029 pick because the importance is to win now. Maybe "deserved" isn't the right term but it's definitely an entitlement that comes along with their fanbase that they should be competing every year. Not playoff competing; championship competing. And there shouldn't be any resource in their way blocking to get it done. Knicks fans had this delusion for years (some still do) that the biggest stage in the NBA is Madison Square Garden and every player should want that stage. But one of the differences between Lakers and Knicks fanbases is if a player says "no" to the Lakers, the Lakers media and fans blame the player. They say "no" to New York, they blame the Knicks organization for not getting it done. And that's why I say Lakers fans have been deluded to believe they should win every year because the organization, former players and local media embraces the mindset that 'Everyone should want to be a Laker and if you don't, you must not want to win' and that even carries throughout losing seasons. I just finished watching the Lakers Hulu dynasty and one of the biggest takeaways from it is Lakers, former Lakers, local media and fans simply can't tolerate losing and have a hard time understanding it. This is why I'm saying I don't believe your perspective is a reflection of the fanbase or at least in the eyes of others.
Agreed. That's why I ended my post with "It's the knowledgeable/objective portion of the fanbase who removes themselves from these silly delusions."
I am just laying out that while in a general sense you are right, I was just disagreeing with brushing the broad stroke across the entire fanbase. Especially since this discussion started with my comment.
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