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Post by doakley8 on Aug 11, 2021 14:30:36 GMT -5
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Post by varsity on Aug 11, 2021 15:20:20 GMT -5
I think the Lakers have enough offense. I like IT but I think he'd better suited for a team like Milwaukee replacing Bryn Forbes who went to San Antonio. He's such a defensive liability and now he's 32 I'm not sure how much he can contribute.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 11, 2021 16:18:37 GMT -5
He should sign with Miami.
Kyle Lowry is old, Gabe Vincent is relatively unproven, Oladipo is injured, Dragic and Nunn are gone. There is room for a veteran PG who can provide a pop of offense off the bench.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 11, 2021 16:54:40 GMT -5
Zach Low via ESPN: "Several teams — including the Warriors, Spurs and Minnesota Timberwolves — have discussed Simmons with varying degrees of interest, sources said, but one reason talks haven’t gone far is that the Sixers likely view Simmons as their path to Lillard."We know what the Warriors could offer. Spurs could offer DeJounte Murray + expiring deals + some combo of other young talent/1st rd picks Wolves could offer something like DLo, Jarrett Culver + draft picks
In the end, if these are the options, don't blame Philly for at holding out on the hopes of somehow getting Dame. The rumblings of their asking price for Simmons was unrealistic but the idea of using Simmons to get Dame, dependent on the moving parts, is feasible. A more realistic high target.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 11, 2021 18:09:25 GMT -5
I'd rather have Murray than Simmons. And Pop likes to collect small guards...Simmons doesn't fit that criteria.
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Post by varsity on Aug 11, 2021 18:54:19 GMT -5
In the end, if these are the options, don't blame Philly for at holding out on the hopes of somehow getting Dame. The rumblings of their asking price for Simmons was unrealistic but the idea of using Simmons to get Dame, dependent on the moving parts, is feasible. A more realistic high target.
I can understand why they want to hold out for Dame as I think a Dame trade is inevitable. Problem is I don't see it happening before the start of the season. And whether Philly wants to admit it or not, they are a team with championship aspirations and need Ben Simmons who doesn't seem like he's interested in returning. So at what point do you say it's time to make the best deal possible to start the season. If I'm Philly, I'm pressing the Kings for two of their 3 guards to start package. I assume you won't get Fox but I'd start with either Haliburton, Davion Mitchell and Buddy Hield. Add in Bagley and some combination of picks. Something along the lines of Hield, Mitchell, Bagley and picks to start a package. Dejonte Murray is probably a better player than all 3 but after that, I don't see much on the Spurs roster I'd have interest in. The picks may be enticing though.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 11, 2021 19:17:45 GMT -5
I'd rather have Murray than Simmons. And Pop likes to collect small guards...Simmons doesn't fit that criteria.
Love me some Murray. 15.7ppg 7.1rpg 5.4apg 1.5spg 0.9 3pg 45.3fg% 79.1ft%. Nothing amazing but very well rounded. Made a nice jump from the prior season. He's another year removed from his torn ACL and the departure of DeRozan (and his 21.6ppg 6.9apg and his team high usage) should raise his ceiling in terms of individual production. Heck, his statline this season was arguably on par with Simmons when you consider Murray made threes and isn't a FT liability - and I see growth potential in Murray's line for reasons noted. Who knows with Simmons dependent on his situation.
Heck, wondering now if Murray should be my 5th keeper over Jrue and Brogdon
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 11, 2021 19:26:49 GMT -5
In the end, if these are the options, don't blame Philly for at holding out on the hopes of somehow getting Dame. The rumblings of their asking price for Simmons was unrealistic but the idea of using Simmons to get Dame, dependent on the moving parts, is feasible. A more realistic high target.
I can understand why they want to hold out for Dame as I think a Dame trade is inevitable. Problem is I don't see it happening before the start of the season. And whether Philly wants to admit it or not, they are a team with championship aspirations and need Ben Simmons who doesn't seem like he's interested in returning. So at what point do you say it's time to make the best deal possible to start the season. If I'm Philly, I'm pressing the Kings for two of their 3 guards to start package. I assume you won't get Fox but I'd start with either Haliburton, Davion Mitchell and Buddy Hield. Add in Bagley and some combination of picks. Something along the lines of Hield, Mitchell, Bagley and picks to start a package. Dejonte Murray is probably a better player than all 3 but after that, I don't see much on the Spurs roster I'd have interest in. The picks may be enticing though.
I am definitely an advocate of the Sixers needing to trade Ben before the start of the season. They can say they are willing to wait it out and have Ben on the team to start the season because they have the leverage with him under contract but I think realistically speaking that is just lip-service to maintain their positioning.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 11, 2021 19:31:18 GMT -5
Surprisingly Murray was 67th in minutes per game at 31.6. I didn't think he was that high. But if he could get it up to 35mpg..he'd be in top 20 range...doubtful with Pop as couch. But I wish he'd let him loose and make that next jump.
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Post by varsity on Aug 11, 2021 19:59:53 GMT -5
The thing is if you trade Murray for Simmons, how much better are you? I would think the idea is to pair the two as your bright young stars for the future. Walker IV, Keldon Johnson and Derrick White are good players but even with Simmons, the Spurs aren't a playoff team. And if they part with draft picks as well to acquire Simmons, you are really setting your franchise back IMO. If I'm Philly, I'm all on it. But if I'm San Antonio, I'm not seeing the long term plan here unless you truly believe you are about to unlock some level in Simmons that Philly didn't.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 11, 2021 20:16:38 GMT -5
Murray's final 15 games he averaged 16.7ppg 7.7rpg 5.7apg 1.9spg and made 1.3 3pg at a 40% clip while shooting 45.2fg% 80 ft% with only 1.7 topg. Solid finish. Dengit, I really may be talking myself into keeping him.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 12, 2021 9:43:25 GMT -5
Via Woj: "Free agent Zach Collins has agreed to a three-year, $22M deal with the Spurs, his agent Mark Bartelstein of @prioritysports tells ESPN."
Remember when the Spurs front office was one to envy. Ever since the Kawhi trade, it's all down hill. This season they enter with a lottery pick and huge cap space and they are basically making Raiders-type moves with reaching for prospects and paying mediocre free agents.
I really hope those last two years aren't fully guaranteed, whether it's a team option or some sort of partial guarantee, because giving this guy 2 guaranteed years, let alone 3, with his injury history would just be nonsense.
Details are out and it's what I thought - or hoped to use my own words - it would be in terms of the last two years not being fully guaranteed.
Via Bobby Marks:
Breakdown of the Zach Collins contract in San Antonio:
2021-22- $7M (full guarantee) 2022-23- $7.35M (50% guaranteed) 2023-24- $7.7M ($0 guaranteed)
Total guarantee is $10.675M
At this point, definitely a worthwhile gamble for the Spurs. Collins stays healthy and produces based on his skillset and what he has shown in flashes, they have a massive bargain on their hands. Collins gets injured - or stays injured should I say - they can cut bait fairly easily, whether an outright release or his contract as a trade chip.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 12, 2021 10:44:27 GMT -5
Remaining free agents
PG: Ntilkina, DSJ, Exum, IT, Teague, McLaughlin SG: Hart, Diallo, Svia, A, Bradley, Redick, Galloway, E. Moore, T. Johnson, G. matthews, W. Matthews, Valentine
SF: Ennis, S. Johnson, Luwawu-Cabarrot, RHJ, A. Roberson PF: Markkanen, Millsap, Vanderbilt, Ilyasova, Patterson, M. Scott C: Boogie, Biyombo, Ed Davis, Hartenstein
Definitely some players on here who can help teams.
Obviously several veterans - like Millsap, Moore and Galloway - who would be good depth for a contender. Garrison Matthews is a bit of an unknown but he's 24 and a good 3pt shooter. Not a bad guy to stash at the end of your bench and maybe see if he becomes a poor man's Duncan.
Exum probably has the worst career ever for a top 5 pick who has lasted at least 7 seasons and even got a decent sized multi-year contract extension along the way..... That said, he's still only 26 and is healthy right now given he just played in the Olympics. He's not the worst flier out there I suppose. Really though he'd be better off just playing in Europe and cashing in.
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Post by varsity on Aug 12, 2021 14:05:09 GMT -5
Josh Hart is the name that stands out to me. I'm actually shocked he didn't land somewhere but perhaps the fear of New Orleans matching an offer sheet has scared teams off. But I think it's a ton of teams that could use him.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 12, 2021 15:22:24 GMT -5
There was that rumor of Josh Hart to Sacramento in a deal involving Buddy Hield
Sacramento would get a better defensive player who Luke Walton is familiar with.
New Orleans would get a solid scorer/shooter giving them a nice SL of Graham, Hield, BI, Zion, Valanciunas
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 15, 2021 12:20:13 GMT -5
Good news: Chauncey wants the Blazers to commit to defense and acknowledges they were bad.
Bad news: He intends to continue that 3 guard lineup that contributed to their terrible defense.
A commitment to defense is great but he's going to get a rude awakening thinking more effort will do anything with running back that small lineup.
Still hilarious that the Blazers came away this offseason with Ben McLemore, Tony Snell and Cody Zeller.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 15, 2021 18:50:08 GMT -5
Cam Thomas, freshman rookie out of LSU is going to be a steal for the Nets. I've seen him play a few games already but he's a stud scorer. That's about all he does..or looks to do, but he can definitely score it in different ways.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 15, 2021 19:29:48 GMT -5
Clippers clean out there point guard by committee, trading Beverley & Rondo for Eric Bledsoe.
I'm sure Rondo will get bought up..I can see Beverley staying with Ja..not sure who that third Clipper guy is. But Clips just need more offense with no Kawhi..but I think Bev/Rondo were good leaders for the team.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 15, 2021 19:40:06 GMT -5
Clippers clean out there point guard by committee, trading Beverley & Rondo for Eric Bledsoe. I'm sure Rondo will get bought up..I can see Beverley staying with Ja..not sure who that third Clipper guy is. But Clips just need more offense with no Kawhi..but I think Bev/Rondo were good leaders for the team. You forgot the most important part. Saved the Clips $30M on the luxury tax bill (during a season when they aren't really competitive anyways).
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 15, 2021 19:53:52 GMT -5
Buy he's a billionairrreeeeeeeeee
Still questioning the Grizzlies off-season
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 15, 2021 20:07:16 GMT -5
Clippers clean out there point guard by committee, trading Beverley & Rondo for Eric Bledsoe. I'm sure Rondo will get bought up..I can see Beverley staying with Ja..not sure who that third Clipper guy is. But Clips just need more offense with no Kawhi..but I think Bev/Rondo were good leaders for the team.
People online are roasting this move, mostly citing the loss of PatBev's defense and mocking "they traded for Bledsoe?!?!?". Personally I actually like the move. As Oak said, they need offense with Kawhi out and as great as PatBev was on defense, he isn't the scorer they need. Rondo was never going to be happy as the 3rd string PG, so they get rid of a likely distraction without the loss of $ by a release. Oturu was their 2nd rd pick last year. Barely played. Clips are better off clearing that roster spot.
Bledsoe's fallen off the map a bit but easy to forget he's a solid player too. Capable scorer and solid defender (2X All-Defense). He'll upgrade that bench and ensure minimal dropoff when Reggie Jackson sits. More than the 30M in supposed luxury tax savings, I think the key with this move is what they do with the open roster spots.
If they can convince Millsap to come over, that'd be a huge addition. Re-sign Boogie and that roster looks good. Sans Kawhi, they're still 2nd tier on paper at best but should at least have the veteran depth to compete with the big boys.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 15, 2021 20:09:33 GMT -5
Clippers clean out there point guard by committee, trading Beverley & Rondo for Eric Bledsoe. I'm sure Rondo will get bought up..I can see Beverley staying with Ja..not sure who that third Clipper guy is. But Clips just need more offense with no Kawhi..but I think Bev/Rondo were good leaders for the team. You forgot the most important part. Saved the Clips $30M on the luxury tax bill (during a season when they aren't really competitive anyways).
Definitely part of it but that the Clippers didn't give up a pick and took on some 2022-2023 salary (3.9M of Bledsoe's partial guarantee) at least made it look not entirely like a salary dump.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 15, 2021 20:14:54 GMT -5
Still questioning the Grizzlies off-season
Yup. Some teams had a disastrous offseason due to inactivity. The Grizzlies offseason was active. Just questionable.
This could seem like them turning Bledsoe into more movable pieces - but it's more likely they just cut Oturu, buyout Rondo after they fail to trade him. Curious what they do with PatBev though given they have a stud in Ja and then two good young backup PGs in Tyus Jones/Melton, who they are paying about 16M next season.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 15, 2021 20:31:41 GMT -5
I actually wonder if they buyout Rondo or tie him to Ja's hip as a mentor. Almost no one better to learn from at the PG position.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 16, 2021 9:43:43 GMT -5
I actually wonder if they buyout Rondo or tie him to Ja's hip as a mentor. Almost no one better to learn from at the PG position.
Assuming Rondo is willing serve as a mentor at the expense of little to no playing time on a team with little to no shot at the title. He might be OK with the latter given he left the title winning Lakers for an Atlanta team coming off a 20-47 record in 2020. I highly doubt he predicted their future playoff success upon signing. The former though might be the issue. Even if he was the sole backup to Morant, that's still around a 15mpg role but as it is he has to contend with T. Jones and Melton - and the Grizzlies should not be sacrificing PT for good young players for Rondo.My first guess is a trade/buyout so the Grizzlies try and get some value but in the event they can't, they save some $ and do right by Rondo allowing him to go to a contender. That said, I mean, who knows. Rondo is the mercurial type and I can't even pretend to know where his head is at. If he says he's accepting of whatever role they give him, then I can see them moving PatBev in quick order. Either way, they need to do something personnel-wise as they have a lot of contracts and not enough roster spots for them.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 16, 2021 20:06:14 GMT -5
Marcus Smart and Josh Hart both a lil overpaid to return to their teams.
Smart likely starting PG with Schroder and Pritchard off the bench.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 17, 2021 10:14:26 GMT -5
Marcus Smart and Josh Hart both a lil overpaid to return to their teams. Smart likely starting PG with Schroder and Pritchard off the bench.
Smart, definitely overpaid Hart for 3 years 38M, i'm Ok with.
Speaking of overpaid though, Sixers gave Embiid a 4 year 196M extension that keeps him under contract through 2027. When he'll be 33. Holy hell.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 17, 2021 10:18:37 GMT -5
Via Woj: "The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Patrick Beverley to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Jarrett Culver and Juancho Hernangomez, sources tell ESPN."
Kind of sad that this is the best the Wolves could go for a player they drafted #6 overall just 2 years ago and a 25 year old they liked enough to re-sign to a multi-year deal last summer. That said, Pat Bev will bring some much needed veteran leadership and toughness to a team badly needing that and wanting to win now. The Grizzlies take a flier on two younger guys with legitimate talent, neither of whom is signed beyond next season.
Have to figure the Grizzlies are equally shopping Rondo at this stage.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 17, 2021 10:38:41 GMT -5
Damn, Culver's stats look bad. Other than injury prone, the SG can't shoot.
40%fg, 29%3's, 50%ft
I'd be happy to take Hernangomez lol
Yea, zero chance Rondo even visits Memphis
and I don't think Embiid's contract is overpaid..I mean it is..but you got to give him the max and I don't think 33 is bad..if it was 36 yea, 37 for sure. But as long as he stops falling down all the time I think he'll play for a while.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 17, 2021 10:45:46 GMT -5
Nets vs Lakers on Christmas day
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