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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 14, 2020 15:10:17 GMT -5
Via CNN: " Earlier on Tuesday, Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer said it may be possible to relax the county's stay-at-home orders in mid-May, which impact 10 million people. But she said lifting the order, which she extended until May 15 in concert with other local officials, will hinge on the ability to care for those who are sick, to make sure the most vulnerable and those in nursing homes are protected from the virus and to "test, test, test, which has been a challenge," she said. One of the models that Ferrer unveiled this week showed that the county could have a 95% infection rate if officials were to lift the order now."
As of yesterday evening, LA County was at 320 deaths and 9420 cases with 239 new cases reported on Sunday - lowest total since late March. That said, Ferrer started her daily briefing today that yesterday had 40 deaths, the highest daily total to this point.
CA, OR, WA are working together to "reopen the economy". What that means exactly I have no clue but it's light at the end of the tunnel. That said, we are still lacking in testing and there are still major concerns in jails, nursing homes, among the homeless and also the spread among our health care workers and the police/sheriff departments. So while I understand the "curve is flattening" and there is pressure on states to open up the economy due to the financial toll, I just don't see HOW we are even close to reopening things in mid-May given all the existing issues.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 14, 2020 15:14:07 GMT -5
We have 16 deaths today..our most to date, on Friday it was 12.
But I agree..I can see atleast 6 more weeks of it
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 15, 2020 12:15:22 GMT -5
Via RW: Dr. Anthony Fauci said he could foresee professional sports starting again if teams agree to play in an isolated area without fans in attendance. "Nobody comes to the stadium. Put [the players] in big hotels, wherever you want to play, keep them very well surveilled," Fauci said, describing what it would take to resume professional sports during the coronavirus pandemic. "Have them tested every single week and make sure they don't wind up infecting each other or their family, and just let them play the season out." There have been discussions of the NBA moving to Las Vegas to finish the season, and that's starting to feel like a real possibility if/when the season resumes, but we won't get another update from Adam Silver until May.
This could work for the NBA. Reportedly they'd need 25 days to prep for games in terms of getting into shape and a training camp of sorts. Teams have played about 63 to 67 games. They do not have to go a full 82, so finish the season with 72. Sorry to the Blazers/Pelicans who had hopes of making the 8th seed but you guys have winning percentages below .450, so you don't deserve it anyways. The remaining games should be enough to get ready for what should be a reduced postseason schedule. I've always felt the postseason was too long and last year it was 2 months. Make the first 3 rounds best of 5. Do back to backs and certainly none of this two days off between games stuff. This is doable given no travel is involved and everyone should be well-rested. Only have the finals best of 7.
If they start that 25 day clock on June 1 - needing all of May to set up the ridiculous amount of logistics needed to get this rolling - they can start games by June 26. If each team plays 5 to 9 games, they can finish the "regular season" by July 9. Playoffs start July 11 and finish August 4. Finals start August 7 and conclude by August 16. Have the NBA draft some time in early September. Free agency after that. Then start what could be an abbreviated 2020-2021 season in December.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 15, 2020 13:20:48 GMT -5
We did something like this before..but who would you take, and in what order.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 15, 2020 14:00:21 GMT -5
Of that list to me it's Grant Hill. We saw the first 6 seasons of his career how amazing he was, especially when he was tasked with being a larger scoring threat for the Pistons and went 25.8ppg 6.6rpg 5.2apg 1.4spg 48.9fg% in his last healthy season. I would have loved to have seen how much more he could have done. He really was the next Magic before Lebron came around. His statlines from his injury plagued 7th season on clearly illustrate the toll ankle injuries had on his career. I'd have Penny next. Too bad he didn't play now because he'd be more able to comeback from the microfracture knee surgery but it's a shame we didn't get to see Penny live up to his career trajectory. He had superstar written all over him. Rose, like Penny, was en route to becoming a superstar before his knee injury. I have him next. Maybe I don't have as much "What if" with him since he's still playing and doing well and isn't seeing his career end in a sad fashion like Penny. TMac despite his injuries actually was a superstar and I feel like he lived up to enough of what he would have been that I don't have as much "what if" with him. As for Roy, he was a solid player but I don't think he had the upside of these other guys.
An expanded list would have guys like Webber, Bill Walton, Greg Oden, Ralph Sampson and good ol' Andrew Bynum. Webber ultimately had a HOF-caliber career but the guy suffered 3 serious shoulder injuries by his 3rd year and had ankle, knee and back issues. Amazing to think he did what he did with the Kings operating well below what he could have been physically if healthy. Walton and Sampson made the HOF but didn't have near the impact they could.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 15, 2020 14:27:36 GMT -5
I too have Hill first I'd take a 6'7 Penny over D-Rose I don't know if T-Mac had the worth ethic or drive. but if he did I'd have him 2nd. but he basically was done after turning 29..so you had 5..maybe 6 more years or stats..
I'll go Hill,T-Mac,Penny,Rose,Roy
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 15, 2020 15:09:53 GMT -5
I think I took the question differently in terms of "Which player is a bigger what if' due to injuries?"
At least TMac lasted until 29 and did enough to carve out a HOF career. Penny's career got derailed at age 25 after just four good seasons and his last few seasons in the NBA were just plain sad being little used on awful teams still being severely hampered by injuries.
I agree that at their peak of health TMac > Penny as a player. I just have a much larger "What if?" with Penny and even Rose because their injuries derailed their careers so early on and I didn't get to see as much of them at their highest as I did TMac.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 15, 2020 15:14:42 GMT -5
Yea, TMac can go either way for me..I could have him 2nd..or 4th depending on how you look at it. So my list very well could be just like yours.
and what does Penny...T-Mac...and Hill all have in common...
sucks for Orlando..AND you let Shaq go..and Dwight
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 15, 2020 16:29:43 GMT -5
They lost Shaq for nothing, which was a massive blow to their franchise. At least they got a good haul for Dwight (+ random players).
They got a hoard of pieces but basically at this stage the trade netted them Vucevic, Evan Fournier, Wes Iwundu. Not bad 8 years later. Vuc and Fournier are their top 2 scorers.
The disastrous element of the trade was they got a 2014 1st rd pick and 2018 1st rd pick in the deal. The 2014 pick ended up being #12 and the Magic traded that, the 2018 pick and a future 2nd rd pick (ended up 2015 #35) to move up with Philly TWO spots to land Elfrid Payton at #10. Payton didn't pan out and they traded him for just a 2nd rd pick 3 years later (2018 #41). Meanwhile the Sixers got Saric at #12 (who they used to get Jimmy Butler), the 2018 pick became Landry Shamet (who they used to get Tobias Harris) and they traded that 2015 2nd rd pick to New York for 2020 and 2021 2nd rd picks - which should be high since the Knicks suck.
Speaking of Tobias Harris, the Magic actually had him. Traded for him in a deal that involved JJ Redick. 3 years later they traded him to Detroit for Brandon Jennings and Ersan Ilyasova. The former would leave as a free agent after that season. The latter...... well, the Magic traded him, Victor Oladipo and the #11 pick Domantas Sabonis.... for Serge Ibaka. Who a few months later they traded for Terrence Ross.
If you lump some of this together: They traded Tobias Harris, Victor Oladipo, #11 pick (Sabonis), #12 pick (Saric), #28 pick (Shamet), #35 pick (Hernangomez) for Terrence Ross and #41 pick.
They also used top 6 picks since 2014 on Bamba. Isaac. Hezonja. Aaron Gordon.
They also spent 200M on Biyombo, Fournier, DJ Augustine and 1 year of Jeff Green in 2016.
Definitely injuries have screwed them over. But honestly they screwed themselves over more.
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Post by varsity on Apr 16, 2020 9:24:07 GMT -5
Yeah I'd take Grant Hill. Had Grant Hill stayed healthy, I'm probably a Pistons fan instead of growing up a Knicks fan. He was that good which is shocking for me to say given how much I hated Duke and watching him. But I loved everything about Hill's game in the NBA and just wish he could've stayed healthy.
I actually felt bad for the Pistons when he left for Orlando. As a fan, I liked the idea of him teaming up with McGrady and they were very close to getting Tim Duncan too. But I just knew the Pistons and the city of Detroit would take a huge blow with him leaving. Luckily for them years laters, they reload with Billups, Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun and the Wallaces.
Still crazy that Duncan said the biggest reason he didn't leave was because Doc Rivers wouldn't allow significant others on team flights.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 16, 2020 9:29:07 GMT -5
Didn't know that about Doc..but family shouldn't be on team flights so I'd agree.
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Post by varsity on Apr 16, 2020 9:35:04 GMT -5
Didn't know that about Doc..but family shouldn't be on team flights so I'd agree. TMac didn't know that was the reason either. Grant Hill was on "The Jump" and told the story about him, his wife Tamia, Doc and Duncan were at dinner and Duncan asked Doc about it and Doc said "no." Grant said he looked at his wife and she replied "He (Doc) should've have lied." TMac was on the set that day with Grant learned right then the reason why Duncan didn't come. TMac looked like he wanted to cry lol.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 16, 2020 9:39:51 GMT -5
yea, that's crazy. Never heard of that
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 16, 2020 11:46:55 GMT -5
Can you imagine where Orlando would be if they signed Duncan to that 6 year deal in 2000? A 24 year old Duncan! Who was coming off a 23.2ppg 12.4rpg 3.2apg 2.2bpg season and already had an NBA Championship and Finals MVP on his resume! Potential "super team" with Hill, TMac - at least on paper given Hill was made of glass at the time - and with guys like Darrell Armstrong, Pat Garrity, Bo Outlaw, John Amaechi, rookie Mike Miller. The Magic become Eastern Conference Contenders. Rivers likely stays there longer and doesn't end up in Boston and win a title there. Magic aren't likely to be utterly crappy in 2003-2004 and end up with the #1 pick that became Dwight Howard.
Even crazier is what would have become of the Spurs. If Duncan leaves in 2000, safe to say they don't go 58-24 in 2000-2001 and end up with #28 pick, that they would use on Tony Parker (granted they could have drafted him earlier). The Spurs may very well have gone into rebuilding mode with the loss of Duncan and having an aging core with David Robinson/Sean Elliott/Steve Kerr/Avery Johnson/Terry Porter/Jaren Jackson at that time. Maybe Manu, seeing a crappy Spurs team, doesn't come over in 2002. Maybe Popovich ends up fired because he can't bring the team back to glory.
I mean, this one move - all because of a procedural decision by Doc - completely shifted the destinies of these franchises. If the Magic had signed Duncan, maybe it's them with 4 Championships since 2000 and it's the Spurs mired in continuous mediocrity with more seasons being utterly crappy than seasons of being in contention.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 16, 2020 13:04:57 GMT -5
Figure there are a lot of "What Ifs" What if Stern didn't block the Chris Paul to Lakers trade? What if the Hawks drafted Paul and not Marvin Williams? What if Kobe had signed with the Clippers in 2004? What if Kobe was drafted by the Nets and was fine playing there? What if the Knicks actually succeeded in 2010 free agency and landed Lebron and Bosh? What if the Knicks actually waited until Melo was a FA to sign him rather than trade the farm for him the deadline before?
What if Len Bias didn't die in 1986? What if the Thunder didn't trade Harden? What if the Sixers had actually drafted Dirk #7 in 1998 and he teamed with AI? What if the Pistons drafted Melo and not Darko? What if the Timberwolves drafted Steph Curry and not Flynn? What if Love/Kyrie weren't hurt in the 2015 Finals? And Draymond not suspended in 2016? Probably Cavs wins in 2015 and Warriors win 2016.
What if the Nets didn't make the worst trade ever with the KG/Pierce move? Which got the Morons Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum.
What if Kawhi didn't get hurt and then have beef with the Spurs? The Spurs probably aren't bad right now for the first time in two decades.
What if the Jazz actually kept Dominique Wilkins in 1982? They drafted him but couldn't afford him, so they traded him. Odds are their record is different and they didn't draft guys named Malone and Stockton in 1984 and 1985.
The list goes on if I think longer
Here is a fun one In 1984, the Rockets had a chance to trade Ralph Sampson to Por for the #2 pick and Clyde Drexler. Imagine if the Rockets did that and drafted MJ #2. They'd have had MJ at 21, Hakeem at 21 and Drexler at 22.
Here is another Kobe one Apparently in 2007, there was Kobe for Lebron trade talk..... instigated by the Lakers no less. What if this deal, in some form, went through?
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 16, 2020 13:10:41 GMT -5
Saw this morning that the Warriors were looking to trade Curry & Klay for CP3..but CP3 told Warriors he wouldn't resign long term
"Warriors had a deal in place to trade Steph/Klay for Chris Paul but CP3 said he wouldn't re-sign at the end of the season."
what if
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 16, 2020 13:29:34 GMT -5
wow. what year was that?
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 16, 2020 13:46:51 GMT -5
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Post by varsity on Apr 16, 2020 16:37:45 GMT -5
The Pistons in 2003 having the chance to take Melo, Wade or Bosh will always be one of my biggest "What ifs." Melo is probably the sexier pick coming off a championship season at Syracuse but in terms of fit, a lineup of Ben Wallace, Chris Bosh, Prince, Hamilton and Billups probably extends that franchise's success for another 4-5 years. Even without Melo, Wade or Bosh, they managed to pull off 2 Final appearances and 3 Eastern Conference Finals appearances and winning 1 ring.
Atlanta taking Chris Paul is probably another huge "what if" for me. Melo heading to the Knicks in FA instead of a trade is another huge one.
Some other ones
What if the Blazers take Kevin Durant instead of Greg Oden? What if the Bulls keep LaMarcus Aldridge instead of moving him for Tyrus Thomas? What if Marbury and Garnett stay together in Minny?
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 16, 2020 20:59:07 GMT -5
Funny. I disparaged the Pistons for basically giving away Drummond to the Cavs - essentially expiring contracts + 2nd rd pick. That said, by not having Drummond's big player option hanging over their head, the team is primed for cap space - which they can create even more of by trading Derrick Rose, who at just 7.7M next season is very tradeable. While they are stuck with Blake Griffin, at least he only has 2 years left on his deal. They are looking at a top 5 pick to add to three guys who got some good run this season and looked fairly good in Kennard, Bruce Brown, Svia and their 2019 1st rd pick Doumbouya. The key is also keeping Christian Wood, who looked solid for them this season.
Honestly, this team is kind of stuck in the middle. Obviously not good but not super crappy either. They should use their cap space / expiring contracts to take on salary in 2021-2022 for teams obsessing over Greek Freak and that free agent market. This would give them assets to add and then they can set themselves for cap space and moves in 2022 when Griffin is off the books.
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Post by varsity on Apr 20, 2020 9:14:03 GMT -5
Interesting first 2 episodes of The Last Dance. I totally forgot Scottie Pippen was getting robbed lol.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 20, 2020 9:28:41 GMT -5
I recorded them (watched Homeland..which is my favorite show, and series finale next week) I'll watch them this week, but it's all over my social media and everywhere you look, so its hard not to. I saw a random 7 year 17 mil extension for Pip? damn. But that was my era..Bulls games were all I watched since it was on WGN and a channel we got. (TBS with the Braves) so I know I'll enjoy it.
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Post by varsity on Apr 20, 2020 9:55:47 GMT -5
Yeah Episode 2 is all about Scottie Pippen and his relationship with the organization. As someone who hated Scottie Pippen, nothing said in the documentary so far made me feel any different towards him lol. Only thing I feel bad about the Bulls is dealing with Jerry Krause. I didn't realize how much his ego is the cause behind all of this.
Episode 3 is about Rodman. That should be interesting.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 20, 2020 10:01:57 GMT -5
I always liked Scottie..until he played for the Jailblazers. His voice being so deep can get annoying for me to listen to for a long period of time.
Saw T-mac said in 97 he was closed to being traded to the Bulls for Pippen but MJ axed that deal.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 20, 2020 11:34:43 GMT -5
Well..slow work day, so just watched the first hour..I'll see how Scottie's goes
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 20, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -5
I watched both episodes. Live. FINALLY something to look forward to sports-wise. Was so desperate for sports I'd been watching a bunch of random stuff this past weekend like episodes about old NFL Drafts - which admittedly was interesting, like how the Niners had to "settle" for Jerry Rice - and then several of Peyton's Places.
Watching MJ and his competitiveness and evolution into the team leader right away, I couldn't help but wonder how Kobe would have been had he played one or two years in college, came in more developed and came into a rebuilding team that didn't have Shaq on it. But yeah, NONE of what they showed surprised me about MJ.
They really really made Krause look awful. Reinsdorf deserved more blame for his rigid ways BUT Krause took a lot of the PR bullets for him.
Granted he definitely deserved a lot of blame for the dynasty being broken up but at the same time have to give the guy credit for continually building a team around MJ. He acquired/signed/drafted Oakley, Paxson, Pippen, Horace Grant, Cartwright, Hodges, BJ Armstrong, Toni Kukoc, Wennington, Kerr, Longley, Ron Harper, Buechler, Rodman. Also Phil Jackson became an assistant and then head coach and then re-signed multiple times under Krause's watch. Of course the Post MJ era was a disaster. If Krause's plan was to reinforce that organizations win titles and not players, he failed utterly. In the 5 years after MJ "retired" and when Krause left the organization, the Bulls went 96-282. He had some decent to good moves but blunders like the Floyd hiring, Marcus Fizer draft pick, the busted 2000 free agency haul and then ultimately trying to build around Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler. My friend was like: "What if Jay Williams never crashed his bike though?" - that being Krause's last high pick at #2. I said it didn't matter because Krause re-signed two months before. That said, worth wondering how a 2003-2004 Bulls team would have done with: Jalen Rose, Jamal Crawford, a healthy Jay Williams, Tyson Chandler, Eddy Curry, Donyell Marshall and Kirk Hinrich (assuming they still went with him #7).
Pippen was definitely underpaid but he signed that contract. This isn't the NFL with hold outs and re negotiations. Luckily for him, Houston overpaid him after he left the Bulls. And didn't get much for it production-wise. Maybe Krause was right on that one. Yeah it was a sign and trade but kind of ironic to see the Bulls got more for Luc Longley than they did Pippen via trade.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 20, 2020 13:39:10 GMT -5
I finished the first two. But not a good look for Krause. I did laugh and Tim Floyd, I remember when all that happened. I forgot Rockets signed Pippin to 5 year 67 mil then traded him to Blazers after 1 year for a list full of bench players. They tried the "Big 4" for a title run but were all on the latter end of their careers.
I actually thought it would be more practice footage, road footage type stuff instead of like it is. Still was good, and Pippen's voice still annoys me lol
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 20, 2020 14:01:04 GMT -5
I actually thought it would be more practice footage, road footage type stuff instead of like it is. Still was good, and Pippen's voice still annoys me lol
I'm sure the later episodes will be.
Right now they are doing the "origin stories" if you will. So it's like Spiderman 1 with Tobey Maguire. Or Arrow Season 1 if you consider them time hopping from 1997-1998 to the past the equivalent of those scenes on the island for Ollie.
Once the characters are established, they can get to the meat.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 20, 2020 14:14:12 GMT -5
ironically.. Ollie on the island was when I really was into the Arrow..I liked that whole portion.then I lost interested after about season 4-5.
pippen pulling a Shaq having surgery on company time I didn't remember. Agreed with MJ saying it was selfish..just basically getting back and Krause/Jerry for not paying/extending him.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 20, 2020 14:16:00 GMT -5
I forgot Rockets signed Pippin to 5 year 67 mil then traded him to Blazers after 1 year for a list full of bench players. They tried the "Big 4" for a title run but were all on the latter end of their careers.
I actually really liked those Blazers teams with Pip. They were legitimately good. They had a bunch of veteran "names" fans would recognize at that time. Pippen. Kemp. Sabonis. Schrempf. Brian Grant. Steve Smith. Greg Anthony. Stacey Augmon. Dale Davis. Rod Strickland. Derek Anderson. Kerr. Kemp. Dudley. And some good young-ish guys like Sheed, Stoudamire, Bonzi Wells , Ruben Patterson.
Unfortunately for them, they ran in to the Lakers. Lost to them in the 2000, 2001 and 2002 playoffs. Then 2003 they ran into a Mavs team with Dirk, Finley, Nash - and other names like Van Exel, Raef LaFrentz, Shawn Bradley, Raja Bell - who made it to the Conference Finals before losing to eventual 2003 Spurs title winning team.
Fun fact to tie this all together. Bruce Bowen was on that 2003 Spurs team. All-Defense 2nd team that year. Also shot 44.1% on threes to lead the league. Ultimate 3&D. Well he was actually traded to the Bulls in February 2000 when Krause was there..... and waived 2 days later. He signed with the Heat 5 days later, was a rotation player rest of that season and the following season where he made All-Defense 2nd team. Signed with the Spurs in 2001 and the rest is history. Oh and that 2003 Spurs team also had Steve Kerr.
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