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Post by varsity on Apr 20, 2020 15:18:56 GMT -5
Ruben Patterson... lol. Haven't heard that name in a while.
They took a lot of jabs at Krause and I think he deserved most of it. But it does suck that he's not here to defend himself. I don't feel bad for Scottie at all. In the end, he made more money than Jordan on the court. And he signed that undervalued deal when even the owner knew it was a crappy deal. Plus he almost sabotaged the season in the process.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 21, 2020 10:45:48 GMT -5
"Silver’s update on the status of the NBA season?
“We are not in a position to make any decisions,” Silver said. “And it’s unclear when we will be.”
What about the isolation options, quarantining players in one location, like Las Vegas?
“In terms of bubble-like concepts, many of them have been proposed to us, and we’ve only listened,” Silver said. “We’re not seriously engaged yet in that type of environment.”
Is Silver optimistic the season can be re-started? Pessimistic?
“I don’t mean to send any signals about the likelihood or not of restarting the season,” Silver said. “All I can say is we’re still at a point where we don’t have enough information to make a decision … I know it’s frustrating – it is for me and for everyone involved in the NBA – but I’m not in a position to answer the question … there’s still enormous uncertainty around the virus.”
My initial thought was why haven't he engaged seriously in the bubble concept because honestly it's the most, if not only, feasible scenario. The idea that actually being able to travel safely and play games in all the NBA cities is coming anytime soon is wildly unrealistic. Even if somehow enough cities re-open to make it work, you still run the risk of a 2nd wave of COVID-19 forcing another lockdown eradicating any plans you made for that city. Which, if anything, seems likely given all the Governors we have out there prioritizing economy and/or the impatience of idiots who feel their rights are being infringed upon over public health.
A bubble concept - be it Vegas or somewhere else - does require a TON of logistics within itself. Is there enough testing? How do you keep the players, refs, employees safe? How do you handle their training and getting their meals? What if one person is tested positive, then what? However, you at least focus in one city and reduce a ton of risk by avoiding air travel/airports and minimizing exposure to the public in general. You only have to know that one city is safe, rather than 30. Then you have the sacrifice from NBA players and their families to basically stay put for like 4 months - as well as the refs and any employees involved. I hope it's one they are willing to make to resume games knowing how much good it'll do for their fans to have that distraction, that sort of normalcy. There may not be fans but there will be TV revenue to help the NBA economy. Plus I'm sure a lot of these players want a conclusion to the season that they worked so hard on.
Silver has been pushing back the timeframe to really start making decisions, currently at mid-May. Honestly if they don't decide to resume activities by June 1 with the 25 day re immersion program that was thrown around and start games by late June/early July, I just don't see it happening. In order for that to happen, then these decisions absolutely have to happen by the middle of May to iron out the vast number of logistics. I realize a lot of this is touch and go but a decision has to be made sooner or later on THIS season because you also need to consider the timing of NEXT season.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 21, 2020 10:56:29 GMT -5
Watching what TMac said yesterday..I'd agree with him as I wouldn't finish the season, or like him..don't think they will. Just start the next season on time and not make 2 seasons affected.
I don't even want a little tournament thing to go on, sure I'd watch but I just don't think watching "playoffs" or whatever tourney they come up with in an empty gym in Las Vegas is worth it. It'll just always have an asterisk by it..just prepare for October and have all the safety issues worked out for next year.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 21, 2020 11:03:26 GMT -5
Watching what TMac said yesterday..I'd agree with him as I wouldn't finish the season, or like him..don't think they will. Just start the next season on time and not make 2 seasons affected.
Ideally they would do the plan I said last week: Do the "training camp" June 1. Resume games 25ish days later. Have a quicker playoff structure with Best of 5 at most (and frankly consider Best of 3 for the1st round) and more back to backs. Have your NBA Finals in August. Draft in September. Free agency after that and then do like a 60 game season starting in December with the playoffs occurring as normal in April. I'd rather have 2 abbreviated seasons with closure than 1 full season + 1 abbreviated season with no closure. Is the former possible? Silver clearly doesn't know but at some point you need to stop kicking the can down the road on a decision. I get that the situation is changing constantly and whatever decision he makes now may be altered in a week due to some new development. However, the buck has to stop at some point because this season AND next season are hanging in the balance.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 21, 2020 11:05:33 GMT -5
damn..didn't even consider or think about the Draft or free agency. na..as much as I love the game..just call it a season and do the best you can to have everything in order to start back on time
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Post by varsity on Apr 21, 2020 12:02:22 GMT -5
Yeah Im at the point I would rather just call the season. It sucks because we won't have a crowned champion but I don't know if resuming it after a month or two off is worth it. At this point, it seems almost certain that more players will test positive so what do you do in that scenario.
Plus I'm expecting players to be out of shape, mentally fatigued and just not in basketball condition physically and mentally. Players are so used to structure of practice, eating, training, etc., I can't see them keeping up with the same regimen at home while being quarantined with families. I would rather the NBA just come back strong after the draft and free agency.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 21, 2020 12:46:31 GMT -5
I would rather the NBA just come back strong after the draft and free agency.
Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I am clinging to the hope of a conclusion to this season. That said, if it came down to it, I'd rather Silver just go ahead and make the decision sooner than later to cancel this season so the NBA can get the ball rolling on setting up next season happening in its proper timeline. That means the draft in June, free agency in July and then obviously seeing how feasible summer league is and when training camps can start and if things can go as normal in october with pre-season / regular season.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 21, 2020 14:20:19 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=347&v=FogO_nUnczw&feature=emb_logoReggie interview on The Last Dance..yea he's a lil bitter. Never liked Reggie in his playing days, but I like his takes and commentary afterwards
DP: What would you say if you sat down with him at dinner?
Reggie Miller:(long pause).....I might punch him
DP: Are you being serious?
Reggie Miller:(long pause again)....man, there was a lot of stuff being thrown back and forth...
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Post by varsity on Apr 21, 2020 18:18:41 GMT -5
www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=347&v=FogO_nUnczw&feature=emb_logoReggie interview on The Last Dance..yea he's a lil bitter. Never liked Reggie in his playing days, but I like his takes and commentary afterwards
DP: What would you say if you sat down with him at dinner?
Reggie Miller:(long pause).....I might punch him
DP: Are you being serious?
Reggie Miller:(long pause again)....man, there was a lot of stuff being thrown back and forth...
Punch MJ?
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 21, 2020 18:26:44 GMT -5
If you want to just listen to 15:20 mark for about 3 minutes..explains it..bitter..not Isaiah Thomas bitter though
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 22, 2020 8:14:56 GMT -5
That's tough..but I'm a Magic hater..so Magic & Cap are getting cut
I'll start MJ/Scottie, bench Shaq/Kobe
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Post by varsity on Apr 22, 2020 11:30:17 GMT -5
Tough call on Kareem. If we're talking in his prime, not those last years as a Laker, I'd probably take him and Magic to start.
That said, probably hard to go against MJ/Scottie as much as I hate Scottie Pippen.
So: MJ/Scottie - Start Magic/Kareem - bench Kobe/Shaq - Cut
Not a huge Shaq fan and I think Kareem in his prime would smoke him.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 22, 2020 12:58:08 GMT -5
IF I had to go based on when they were teammates - which is a fair assumption since we are talking historic "duos" - then that for me makes the decision incredibly easy. The Laker homer in me wants to take Magic and Kareem. The 1980-1981 version is tantalizing. Pretty much the last year Kareem was dominating before he began to decline, understandably at age 33. Magic was in his 2nd year and already going off for 21-8-8 with a whopping 3.4 steals and 53.2fg% - but he got hurt that year and despite having both in the playoffs, they lost 1st round. So I feel there wasn't any crossover with a peak Kareem and peak Magic to really go that route for this question. Obviously they went on to win multiple titles together but those were loaded Laker teams. Wilkes. Nixon. Cooper. Scott. And some guy named Worthy.
The Laker homer in me also wants to go Kobe and Shaq. The 2002-2003 version. I realize it's weird to pick a season where they didn't win the title. In fact they won just 50 games and lost in the 2nd round. I think though it was the best crossover in terms of Kobe starting to his peak and Shaq still at his. Shaq was All-NBA 1st and All-Defensive 2nd. Kobe was All-NBA 1st and All-Defensive 1st. Both finished top 5 in MVP voting. With Kobe going roughly 30-7-6-2 steals and was the fist year he was a legitimate 3pt threat. Was arguably Shaq's last year as a truly dominant force going for roughly 27-11-3-2 blocks- 57%. From a team aspect, they just didn't have much outside of them anymore at that stage with just Fisher, Devean George and aging Horry and Rick Fox. They lost in the 2nd round to a better Spurs team than the one they beat in the 2nd round in 2002. As a duo though, amazing but........
I'll take MJ and Pippen if I got their versions at the beginning of their 2nd three-peat - let's say 1996-1997. Even though they were 33 and 31 at the time, both were at the top of their game that season. Durable as neither missed a game. Elite defensively as both made All-Defense 1st team and both finished top 5 in DPOY voting. Elite offensively as by then both had developed their 3pt range in terms of quantity and a legitimate percentage to add to their arsenal, which obviously included still freakish athleticism in getting to the rim and amazing court vision and passing. Also at that age and that experience, they had the winning mentality locked down - as evidenced by a 15-4 record in the postseason where offensively it was only the two of them (they combined for 50.3ppg and the 3rd leading scorer was Kukoc..... at 7.9ppg).
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 23, 2020 10:45:42 GMT -5
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 23, 2020 14:14:49 GMT -5
Tyronn Lue, Jason Kidd, Mark Jackson, Jeff Van Gundy and the incumbent interim coach Jacque Vaughn are among the names on the Nets’ developing list of coaching candidates, league sources say
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 23, 2020 15:10:43 GMT -5
Lue has proven he can lead a contender with big personalities and big expectations. So for a team with KD + Kyrie (who Lue already coached) and win-now aspirations, he makes sense. Vaughn is also a former Net for 2 years and played with Kidd, has HC experience with Orlando and has been with the Nets since 2016 as an assistant and now interim HC. Plus I find that journeymen PGs tend to be good head coaches, so he has that going for him.
Kidd is a fancy name as a HOFer and former player who led them to 2 finals but he already coached the Nets for one year and forced his way out in 2014 when he didn't get operational control he wanted. Leave JVG and Jackson in the broadcasting booth.
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Post by varsity on Apr 29, 2020 11:42:32 GMT -5
Isiah Thomas has gotten a lot of attention lately LOL. He's definitely taking the stance of tired being the bad guy and disrespected.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 29, 2020 11:47:25 GMT -5
I've never liked him..and I like him alot less after this week. I've just never like his attitude. I never liked Reggie as a player..but I like him now..Zeke..not so much
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Post by varsity on Apr 29, 2020 15:47:39 GMT -5
I've never liked him..and I like him alot less after this week. I've just never like his attitude. I never liked Reggie as a player..but I like him now..Zeke..not so much I've always liked Zeke. 2nd favorite player. Part of that is bias as he's from Chicago but I always liked him as a player. But he's as sneaky as they come and always has been.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 29, 2020 19:26:28 GMT -5
Lol so your favorite players are Earv and Zeke
They are probably 1A and 1B for my least favorite.
Jordan and Kobe are mine.
And I liked Pippen..you..not so much.
You didn't care for Shaq much.Shaq was fine for me
We gotta find an equal.
I know EE was Eddie Jones
I also didn't like Paul Pierce.
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Post by varsity on Apr 30, 2020 22:17:34 GMT -5
We 100% agree on Paul Pierce. He's probably one of my least likable players in my lifetime along with Pippen.
Kobe probably ranks around 4 for me behind Magic, Zeke and Melo in terms of favorites.
The thing with Shaq and Jordan isn't that I hated them, I just wasn't huge fans of either. I always honor the fact that Jordan is the best player I've ever seen in my lifetime and Shaq definitely is one of the best centers of all-time but I just weren't big fans of them. With Mike, I feel like he got away with a lot on the court and off the court and his diehard fans here make it impossible to critique anything about him.
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Post by doakley8 on May 1, 2020 6:50:56 GMT -5
I didn't see Melo in your top 5 at all either. I just think if Melo took advantage of his body and got on the block instead of facing up 20 feet from the basket..his career would have looked totally different.
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Post by doakley8 on May 1, 2020 11:14:02 GMT -5
I couldn't stand....still can't KG either. There's intensity..then there's just STFU and play and stop running your mouth. So like with Reggie..PP..Zeke..I respect there talent..just didn't like them on the court.
Magic..well I just don't even like to hear him talk.
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Post by YoungThundercat on May 3, 2020 8:34:45 GMT -5
I always loved (as much as you can love a rival) those early 00s Spurs teams. Young, athletic Tony Parker finishing consistently amongst the trees, full head of hair Ginobili playing that Harden style before anybody knew what it was and Duncan before he spent the 2nd half of his career playing on 1 leg....great teams and great battles with the Lakers.
I was a big big fan of Orlando McGrady as well. And Seattle Era Ray Allen before he became a camp in the corner guy. Ray put up some MONSTER seasons.
Apparently I was in on the analytics movement early because I remember loving AK47 as well and he was clearly a "born 10 years too early" guy, he would feast in today's space and pace game and could legitimately guard 1-5.
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Post by varsity on May 6, 2020 15:21:55 GMT -5
Never been a huge KG fan. I liked him more in his younger playing days but Morons KG was a jerk to me. Maybe he always was and I just didn't see it in Minny. Not a fan of Ray Allen either. Only Celtic on that team that didn't bother me is Rondo.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 7, 2020 11:29:51 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, in terms of players I got to watch, my faves would be in no order: Eddie Jones, prime Penny Hardaway, prime Shawn Kemp, Tim Duncan and Kobe.
Also I hated most of the Morons from that era. Pierce. Allen. KG. Rondo. Perkins. Heck hated Glen Davis and Nate Robinson too. Stupid Shrek and Donkey nonsense. I tolerated Tony Allen because I have a soft spot for elite defensive players who just go out there and do their job. Kind of like Marcus Smart now.
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Post by doakley8 on May 8, 2020 7:23:26 GMT -5
Former NBA player, Shannon Brown, was reported for shooting a rifle at a couple who entered his house in Georgia. The Citizen reports that the incident occurred on May 2nd. According to the report, the couple saw a ‘for sale’ sign on the property and entered Brown’s house. Brown apparently met the couple by firing five or six rounds as they were leaving.
Tyrone Police Department spokesman, Philip Nelson, said the couple contacted the police at 9:45 P.M. When Brown was questioned about the shooting, he said he thought they were breaking into the property. The couple alleged that the front gate and the front door was open at the ‘for sale’ house. They also apparently heard someone say “come in” after they identified themselves at the property. Officers found one shell casing at the scene in question.
on another note..glad they arrested the 2 guys for the Ahmaud Arbery shooting. Gun control is out of control these days. But I'm no fan of guns anyhow. Do more harm than good.
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Post by varsity on May 8, 2020 8:48:21 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, in terms of players I got to watch, my faves would be in no order: Eddie Jones, prime Penny Hardaway, prime Shawn Kemp, Tim Duncan and Kobe. Jason Kidd is another one I'd add to my list. I was watching Heat-Mavs Finals and it's crazy how smart of a basketball player he was on the court. The guy just knew how to get players in the right position.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 8, 2020 10:46:35 GMT -5
on another note..glad they arrested the 2 guys for the Ahmaud Arbery shooting. Gun control is out of control these days. But I'm no fan of guns anyhow. Do more harm than good.
Even though I am a POC who doesn't own guns and gets as angry/sad as most others with every single mass shooting that occurs in this nation and the infuriating response from the Republican Party, I've admittedly not been much of a "Social Justice Warrior".....
BUT Holy Hell this was a travesty beyond measure. It boggles my mind that it's 2020 and we still see this kind of blatant racism out there and what's worse is Trump seriously PROMOTES this nonsense. No I am not saying he tells his supports to go out and kill POC but he stokes the fire of racism, of white supremacy and he does nothing to empower minorities because the majority of them don't vote for him. With the upcoming election and Biden's popularity among black people, he's only going to further push that particular group down and you see that with voting tampering.
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Post by eddieeddie on May 8, 2020 11:00:30 GMT -5
Off the top of my head, in terms of players I got to watch, my faves would be in no order: Eddie Jones, prime Penny Hardaway, prime Shawn Kemp, Tim Duncan and Kobe. Jason Kidd is another one I'd add to my list. I was watching Heat-Mavs Finals and it's crazy how smart of a basketball player he was on the court. The guy just knew how to get players in the right position.
I've watched random games from 2004, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011 etc.
It is pretty fascinating to see some of the players back then.
Plus watching it back, I really am just more and more impressed with Lebron's superhero performance in the 2016 NBA Finals. That block on Iggy in Game 7 is just legendary in my mind. I don't care that the Warriors beat them in 2015, 2017 and 2018. I don't care that Draymond got a questionable suspension - any more than Warriors fans care that Kyrie/Love were hurt in 2015 or Raptors fans care that KD/Klay were hurt last year or Pistons fans care that The Mailman was hurt in 2004. In the 2016 NBA Finals Lebron carried the Cavs back from a 3-1 deficit that had never been overcome in Finals history before and averaged 29.7 points, 11.3 rebounds, 8.9 assists, 2.6 steals, and 2.3 blocks per game. Simply amazing.
Lebron may not be a "favorite" of mine but he's firmly entrenched in my Mount Rushmore of NBA Greats in my generation (i.e. sorry Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Mikan, West, Baylor, Big O, Dr J etc).
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