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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 4, 2020 18:32:53 GMT -5
So basically Denver, Detroit and Lakers just did a 3 way trade via buyouts
Lakers get Morris from Pistons Nuggets get Daniels from Lakers Pistons get McRae from Nuggets
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Post by varsity on Mar 5, 2020 11:03:41 GMT -5
Just saw a stat: Jrue Holiday was 1 point away last night from a 20 point game. Had he scored, the Pelicans would've been the first team to have 4 players score 20+ points on back to back nights and lose both games. Those four players (Jrue, Zion, BI and Lonzo) have scored 102 and 92 points respectively in the last 2 games.
Clearly the offensive potential is there but they are terrible defensively protecting the rim.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 5, 2020 11:10:41 GMT -5
I always had this impression Derrick Favors was a really solid defensive C. Then I watched the Lakers/Pelicans game and thought "Perhaps not". Was exposed by the length and athleticism of McGee/Howard. Add in they have Melli as their backup C rather than Hayes and undeniably their rim protection is poor these days. They also seem to have issues on rotations and communication among the perimeter defenders, which often leads to being blown by for layups/dunks.
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Post by varsity on Mar 5, 2020 11:27:45 GMT -5
I always had this impression Derrick Favors was a really solid defensive C. Then I watched the Lakers/Pelicans game and thought "Perhaps not". Was exposed by the length and athleticism of McGee/Howard. Add in they have Melli as their backup C rather than Hayes and undeniably their rim protection is poor these days. They also seem to have issues on rotations and communication among the perimeter defenders, which often leads to being blown by for layups/dunks. Their communication is horrible. I watched the game last night and players were just on islands trying to matchup against the Mavs. I'll try to chalk it up to them being a young team but when you have vets like Holiday and Favors, you expect a little more communication. A guy like Tyson Chandler on their bench would help them a lot. He's currently not doing anything on Houston's. And Jaxson Hayes just completely fell out of the rotation.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 5, 2020 11:35:45 GMT -5
I always had this impression Derrick Favors was a really solid defensive C. Then I watched the Lakers/Pelicans game and thought "Perhaps not". Was exposed by the length and athleticism of McGee/Howard. Add in they have Melli as their backup C rather than Hayes and undeniably their rim protection is poor these days. They also seem to have issues on rotations and communication among the perimeter defenders, which often leads to being blown by for layups/dunks. And Jaxson Hayes just completely fell out of the rotation. Hayes pretty much faded when he told the NBA to "suck his...." in a video because he didn't get picked for the All-Star weekend. He's still young and immature..and it was bad look. But he's got upside..just needs to grow up a bit
oh and I think he added a "F the NBA" a few times too
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 5, 2020 11:55:34 GMT -5
Gotta love today's NBA where a team fighting for a playoff spot thinks a 6'9" shooter from Europe is a better backup C than a freakishly athletic 6'11" shot blocker.
I guess with Favors not providing much range, they think a change of pace with Melli and the spacing he provides makes more sense. Probably better logic on paper than in actual practice.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 5, 2020 12:08:40 GMT -5
Rockets working out Luc Mbah a Moute
6'8" 230 Has decent enough range Versatile defender
Pretty much another Jeff Green to be a "backup C"
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 5, 2020 15:09:18 GMT -5
Knicks have seen what CP3 is doing for OKC and have been gathering intel to make a run at him this summer despite his large contract.
smh...
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 5, 2020 18:32:07 GMT -5
That'd be the most Knick-move ever to trade say Ntilkina + Dallas' 2021 1st rd pick
Knicks would tout how CP3's leadership will help Barrett, Randle, Robinson, Knox, DSJ and whoever they draft with their high 1st rd pick (along with having the Clippers' 1st rd pick and Hornets' 2020 2nd rd pick)
OKC will thank CP3 for all he did this past year but gladly take the 79M in cap relief by swapping CP3's deal for that of Ntilkina - who has the size/defense to play in a backcourt with SGA, Schroeder. Oh and they get a 1st rd pick to go with the 2 dozen they already own because why not.
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Post by varsity on Mar 5, 2020 18:45:26 GMT -5
Knicks have seen what CP3 is doing for OKC and have been gathering intel to make a run at him this summer despite his large contract. smh... It helps that Paul's agent was Leon Rose too. I'm sure that's a big reason for the Knicks contemplating the move. It's even talks of Melo's return to the Knicks though Melo has been on record saying he wants to finish his career in Portland. But I can see the Knicks plan here: Trade for CP3 who, even at 35, is still productive and as EE said can bring a veteran leadership to that locker room. In the East, a healthy Chris Paul plus other additions like their 1st round pick and the growth of Barrett and Randle may make the Knicks a 7th-8th seed which is a homerun for Knicks fans. And if you can get him for relatively cheap, the Knicks don't care about the future salary he adds.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 6, 2020 12:08:18 GMT -5
Beal is saying he wants to retire a Wizard. Honestly, I admire his loyalty given the state of that franchise. He could easily force a trade and have suitors, including contenders, lining up out the door but he wants to gut it out. Maybe he always felt this way but also maybe seeing the adoration the Lakers had for Kobe sparked it in him as well. The value of playing for only one franchise.
I mean the Wizards have some talent. They have Beal. Obviously they'll get Wall back next season. What version of him is anyone's guess. Hachimura has looked good. Thomas Bryant is capable. Troy Brown, Mo Wagner have shown some flashes. Some other young players like Schofield, Jerome Robinson, Pasecniks and another former Laker in Bonga. Even in the East with a "healthy" Wall, this team doesn't remotely excite me. 9th worst record so barring a shift in the standings (fwiw only 3.5 ahead of Knicks at 4th worst) or lucky bounce, not looking at a high pick. They don't owe any future 1st rd picks but also aren't owed any. In the 2nd rd pick department, they are -1 through 2023.
New GM Sheppard has his work cut out for him given the mess Grunfeld left for him. Crazy to think that just two seasons ago the team had Otto Porter Jr., Kelly Oubre, Markieff Morris and now they have absolutely nothing to show for any of those guys.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 6, 2020 15:11:45 GMT -5
Over/Under $35K fine for Mark Cuban
At this rate, a 6 figure fine wouldnt surprise me.
The NBA announced today that Commissioner Adam Silver has denied the Dallas Mavericks' protest of their February 22 game against the Atlanta Hawks and fined Mavericks Governor Mark Cuban $500,000 for his public criticism and detrimental conduct regarding NBA officiating
damnnnnnnn
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Post by varsity on Mar 6, 2020 16:40:23 GMT -5
The Clippers are signing free agent center Joakim Noah, league sources tell ESPN. Noah, a two-time All-Star, is expected to join the team next week.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 6, 2020 16:59:45 GMT -5
The Clippers were said to be looking for more size as there were questions about their ability to defend some of the better big men given Harrell's lack of height and Zubac's lack of athleticism. Noah isn't going to come in and suddenly neutralize AD, Joker, Porzingis etc. but his blend of height, length, defense and athleticism - even at 35 - is an element they didn't currently have on the roster. FWIW last season in Memphis he did average 7.1ppg 5.7rpg 2.1apg 0.7ppg 51.6fg% in just 16.5mpg. If truly healthy, can make a similar impact.
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Post by varsity on Mar 6, 2020 17:10:51 GMT -5
According to Woj, it will start out as a 10 day contract with the Clippers.
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Post by varsity on Mar 7, 2020 1:33:28 GMT -5
Atlanta Hawks CEO proposed the NBA start it's regular season in December and end start of August according to ESPN.com. The move would allow the NBA to avoid competing against the NFL and college football for the fall months and start it's regular season in December, which is viewed by many as an "unofficial start" of the season anyway. By doing such, the NBA would only compete with MLB during the 2nd half of the season a move would almost guarantee the league a significant hold on nightly sporting games as Major League Baseball plays 75% of their games during the day in the summer months.
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I actually like the idea for all the reasons stated. And I think it would be great if the NBA would have some outdoor games during the summer as well. No one cares about the summer league and to avoid competing against the NFL is a smart move.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 7, 2020 10:03:11 GMT -5
The Brooklyn Nets are mutually parting ways with coach Kenny Atkinson, the team announced Saturday morning.
Odd timing would be an understatement
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 7, 2020 11:14:48 GMT -5
Atlanta Hawks CEO proposed the NBA start it's regular season in December and end start of August according to ESPN.com. The move would allow the NBA to avoid competing against the NFL and college football for the fall months and start it's regular season in December, which is viewed by many as an "unofficial start" of the season anyway. By doing such, the NBA would only compete with MLB during the 2nd half of the season a move would almost guarantee the league a significant hold on nightly sporting games as Major League Baseball plays 75% of their games during the day in the summer months. --------- I actually like the idea for all the reasons stated. And I think it would be great if the NBA would have some outdoor games during the summer as well. No one cares about the summer league and to avoid competing against the NFL is a smart move.
I think it's a fantastic idea as well. For the last few years, I've pretty much ignored the start of the NBA season until the NFL season was over and I'm sure that is the case with a lot of people. A lot of it is fantasy football related but also the NFL is just wildly more entertaining to me. Plus as someone who doesn't watch any MLB games until the postseason, it'd be nice to have some NBA games through August.
Given the NFL preseason starts early August and College Football season also starts in August, this calendar would essentially make it that year round you have either the NBA or Football games going on and I would LOVE LOVE LOVE that.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 7, 2020 11:17:48 GMT -5
The Brooklyn Nets are mutually parting ways with coach Kenny Atkinson, the team announced Saturday morning. Odd timing would be an understatement
Odd indeed but guess neither side saw the sense in waiting if it was inevitable.
The Nets aren't particularly good at 28-34 but they are in the 7th seed and doing so despite a myriad of injuries - including not having KD all season. I'd also argue they overachieved last season en route to 42 wins and a playoff seed. So I consider him to actually be a really good coach.
Atkinson has been great at developing players. DLo for 2 years. Dinwiddie. Levert. Harris. Allen. RHJ when he was healthy. If I'm a rebuilding team in need of a coach, I am definitely looking his way. I'd say CLE but apparently they promised Bickerstaff the job. I'd say Spurs if they Pops retired and they tore it down but they'd almost certainly go in-house to replace. Perhaps the Knicks?
Maybe the Nets ownership felt though he wasn't the right guy going forward when the team was no longer a "rebuilding" team and had high expectations with presumably a healthy KD and Kyrie.
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Post by varsity on Mar 7, 2020 13:34:43 GMT -5
Milwaukee’s Giannis Antetokounmpo is getting a precautionary MRI on his left knee, league sources tell ESPN. The MVP landed hard on the floor and tweaked the knee in second half of the loss to the Lakers Friday night, but stayed in the game.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 9, 2020 19:01:01 GMT -5
Via Matthew Tynan: "Dejounte Murray suffered a right-calf strain against the Cavs, Spurs say. It feels like half the roster has been injured over the past two weeks."
At 26-36 and 5 games out of the 8th seed and needing to leapfrog 4 teams, time to just call it a season. Sit down Murray for the rest of the year. Sit down Aldridge too, who has been banged up. Cut the minutes on the veterans and play the younger guys more.
This is a team in serious flux and curious what they do this summer. They had their run with Duncan-Manu-Parker etc. They then had Kawhi. Then they tried to cling to short-term hopes with Aldridge-DeRozan. It's time for a new identity.
S&T DeRozan. Trade Aldridge. Rebuild with Murray, White, Walker, Samanic, K. Johnson, Lyles and for the love of Pete, protect their 2021 cap space and don't overpay anymore veterans (or trade for them either).
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 10, 2020 14:12:18 GMT -5
John Collins: "“I definitely feel like I am in max contract contention. If I finish this season averaging 20 and 10, the other guys who are averaging 20 and 10 are max-caliber guys. I’m in that conversation and feel like I am worthy of being extended as such. That’s for the Hawks to decide and figure it out. If you want to look at numbers and flat-out play, I definitely feel like I’ve earned it. But the team situation, future cap and all that, now you have a contract negotiation.”"
Collins is obviously very talented but he missed games last season to injury, missed games this season to suspension, his stats have yet to contribute to actual team success and I'd be weary about a 3rd year forward already equating individual stats to compensation.
Not saying the Hawks HAVE to trade him at all but his name was bandied around at the deadline, so there may have been hesitation on their part to extend him. With the team getting Capela, who is locked up until 2023, there may be more flexibility to move on from Collins.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 10, 2020 14:26:00 GMT -5
I really don't know what kind of game Collins has. All I see him do is dunk, which isn't going to do much with Capela down there. I don't know if he has a face up 15-18 foot game or not. If I'm the Hawks..I'd probably give him the max. I think he plays off well with Young. I'd keep that nucleus together.
How much more "upside" does Collins have is the question. or can any player in that role just catch lops from Trae and grab rebounds
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 10, 2020 14:35:59 GMT -5
Collins does make 1.5 threes a game at a 41.1% clip. No clue on his midrange game but he definitely has 3pt range.
Personally I think Collins' stats are inflated. When Collins was out, Jabari Parker averaged 17.7ppg 7.5rpg 2.4apg 1.9spg in 15 games in November. The Hawks have essentially been a two-man offense this season, be it Trae + Jabari to start the season then Trae + Collins since his return - with sprinkles of Hunter, Huerter, Reddish etc. With the Hawks being utterly abysmal on defense, this just feels like a "bloated stats on a bad team" situation.
I wouldn't give Collins the MAX this offseason and let him play out his 4th year and see how he gels with Trae, Capela and then guys like Huerter, Hunter, Reddish as they get more experience. It'd also be nice to see him actually play a full season too.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 10, 2020 14:43:06 GMT -5
I think I'm going to agree with you. any decent athletic PF can fill that role on that bad team and get the stats.
They give him the max..they'll end up like Orlando and stuck on possibly moving him.
or maybe you have to give him the max to keep him..because not many (any) players go to the Hawks to sign. and while Trae gets his assists..can't be all that fun watching him jack up 40 footers.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 10, 2020 15:26:04 GMT -5
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 10, 2020 15:29:38 GMT -5
or maybe you have to give him the max to keep him..because not many (any) players go to the Hawks to sign. and while Trae gets his assists..can't be all that fun watching him jack up 40 footers.
You don't have to give him the MAX this summer is all I'm saying. He's still under contract next season and if he plays well - and manages to play a full season and the Hawks actually show improvement in the win column - then you can MAX him out in 2021.
Collins is trying to pressure the Hawks by saying he'd be basically butt hurt if they didn't max him out sooner but the Hawks have no reason to as they have the leverage given his restricted free agency. A MAX contract extension after the 3rd year should be reserved for no-brainers - like Ben Simmons, KAT, Booker and Pascal Siakam. If guys like Hield, Sabonis, Jaylen, Turner, Harris had to settle for less to sign earlier, so should Collins. Otherwise you might just get stuck with another Andrew Wiggins.
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Post by doakley8 on Mar 10, 2020 15:31:54 GMT -5
Yea, I agree with ya. Collins will have to get over it, or go fail another drug test.
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Post by eddieeddie on Mar 10, 2020 15:42:17 GMT -5
This Dray vs Chuck battle is absurd because it's fairly obvious the former has nothing on the latter.
The whole Chuck has no rings argument is incredibly weak when you consider the amount of legends with no rings like Karl Malone, Stockton, AI, Grant Hill, TMac, Mutombo, Gervin, Nique', Ewing, Reggie, Nash, Carter, CWebb etc. - along with a lot of current stars like Paul, Harden, Westbrook, AD, Melo, Lillard, Paul George, Butler.
Dray is a good player but everyone recognizes that the team has rings because of others before him. Curry/Klay in 2015. KD/Curry/Klay in 2017-2018. I think most players would much rather have Chuck's career as an NBA superstar and bonafide legend than Dray's where yeah you were a pretty good player but the 3rd or 4th banana on your titles.
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Post by varsity on Mar 10, 2020 21:17:06 GMT -5
Best thing I read is imagine Trent Dilfer telling Dan Marino he can't sit at the table with him because he doesn't have a ring.
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