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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 4, 2020 19:12:11 GMT -5
Bradley/Kuz/Cousins gets you there financially. Of course, getting rid of Bradley means you have to have assurances that Collison is on the way after the ASB.
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Post by varsity on Feb 4, 2020 20:24:34 GMT -5
KCP would need to consent to a trade as well. Either by waiving his no-trade clause and forfeiting his bird rights OR picking up his 2021 option. Not sure how enthusiastic he would be going from the best team in the West, in a title hunt and playing with LeBron and AD to the Knicks who have no chance of winning in the next 2-3 years.
I think Kuzma discussion may be the Lakers looking for some draft compensation for perhaps another move. Or just them driving up Kuzma's price for other teams.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 21:53:27 GMT -5
Bradley/Kuz/Cousins gets you there financially. Of course, getting rid of Bradley means you have to have assurances that Collison is on the way after the ASB.
I meant to include Bradley in my post too. I don't see the Lakers trading Kuz + one of Bradley/Green (and KCP is off the table because he won't consent) to get Morris, regardless of what Collison does. I don't really view Collison/Morris to be much of an upgrade over Kuz/Bradley anyhow when they can just sign Collison outright.
Frankly the Lakers would be doing Avery Bradley dirty by trading him to the Knicks given he signed a team friendly 2 year deal with them when they were scrambling for talent in the aftermath of not getting Kawhi. The NBA is obviously a business and players get that and feelings are hurt all the time. I'm sure Kuz can't be happy with his name being tossed around so much. But the Lakers are going to be relying on luring veterans on the cheap as long as they have Lebron/AD and this lack of loyalty is not the message they want to send to potential targets in future offseasons. "Sure sign with us on the cheap under the belief you can win a title here BUT just so you know, we might trade you before you get a chance. Sorry buddy". They can get away with trading an injured Boogie or a younger player like Cook but a respected veteran in Bradley who is a full-time starter, not as much.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 22:18:29 GMT -5
Via Scoop: "New York Knicks have an offer for D'Angelo Russell. That deal would include Bobby Portis, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Allonzo Trier and a 2nd round pick. Warriors aren’t interested, I’m told. GSW want Mitchell Robinson & Knicks unprotected 1st rounder added to offer. Timberwolves weren’t only team D’Angelo Russell had interest in. As I noted last February, Russell who lived in the borough of Brooklyn last season when he was a Net, wanted to get an apartment in Manhattan"
The Warriors going back and asking for Robinson and an unprotected 1st is too much of a swing the other way but honestly their offer is closer to DLo's value than the laughable initial offer by the Knicks.
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Post by melbourne on Feb 4, 2020 22:22:53 GMT -5
Via Scoop: "New York Knicks have an offer for D'Angelo Russell. That deal would include Bobby Portis, Kevin Knox, Frank Ntilikina, Allonzo Trier and a 2nd round pick. Warriors aren’t interested, I’m told. GSW want Mitchell Robinson & Knicks unprotected 1st rounder added to offer. Timberwolves weren’t only team D’Angelo Russell had interest in. As I noted last February, Russell who lived in the borough of Brooklyn last season when he was a Net, wanted to get an apartment in Manhattan"
The Warriors going back and asking for Robinson and an unprotected 1st is too much of a swing the other way but honestly their offer is closer to DLo's value than the laughable initial offer by the Knicks.
This was apparently a Mills offer. With his firing today, it sounds like it is off the table
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Post by varsity on Feb 4, 2020 23:59:36 GMT -5
If I'm the Knicks, I'd offer Knox, Robinson, Portis (salary purposes) and a pick from Dallas for Russell. Reason being: You get Russell and I think it's only a matter of time before KAT wants to come too. At the very minimum, Russell, Barrett and Randle gives you a solid nucleus entering the draft to build from. You don't totally gut your team either.
That said, I think it's too much smoke for him not to end up in Minny by Thursday. The Warriors can say what they want and perhaps they wait till the offseason but getting under the luxury tax is a major priority for them. Not to mention the other teams seem highly motivated to get a deal done and if you are the Warriors, it makes more sense to lose games this year than keeping Russell.
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Post by varsity on Feb 5, 2020 0:46:52 GMT -5
ESPN Sources: 4-team trade agreement: Houston: Robert Covington; Atlanta: Clint Capela and Nene; Minnesota: Malik Beasley, Juan Hernangomez, Evan Turner, ATL 1st round pick via Nets; Denver: Gerald Green, Houston FRP.
Minnesota's Keita Bates-Diop is going to Denver in deal, source tells ESPN. Denver's Jarred Vanderbilt is on his way to Minnesota, league sources tell ESPN. Jordan Bell to Houston. Minnesota's Noah Vonleh goes to the Nuggets, per source.
I believe also Shabazz Napier heads to Denver.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 1:06:21 GMT -5
Houston gets their guy in Covington, a decent big in Bell who can in the interim roll with Hartenstein/Chandler at C and they get under the tax Denver moves impending FAs in Beasley/Hernangomez and gets value with a 1st rd pick and Napier/Bates-Diop/Vonleh maintains their depth Atlanta is the big winner moving just Turner and a 1st rd pick to get a very solid C in Capela. On paper, for now, Trae, Huerter, Hunter, Collins, Capela is strong
Minnesota does decently enough in their return for Covington getting Beasley, a 1st rd pick and a couple other smaller pieces they can speculate on
4 team trade that works all around
The version with DLo was more exciting but don't blame the Warriors for passing
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Post by varsity on Feb 5, 2020 1:32:30 GMT -5
I love the deal for Houston, Denver and Minny. Bell and Covington are nice pickups for Houston. 2 guys who move well without the ball which is needed in Houston and improve them defensively. Denver gives up Beasley but Napier, Bates-Diop and Vonleh plus a first rounder is a nice return for 2 players they may have lost in free agency. Beasley is a solid guard for them if they don't get Russell. 1st rounder also helps as well.
My only issue with Atlanta is I don't see why they "needed" Capela but it does help them on paper.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 5, 2020 5:13:29 GMT -5
I love the deal for Houston, Denver and Minny. Bell and Covington are nice pickups for Houston. 2 guys who move well without the ball which is needed in Houston and improve them defensively. Denver gives up Beasley but Napier, Bates-Diop and Vonleh plus a first rounder is a nice return for 2 players they may have lost in free agency. Beasley is a solid guard for them if they don't get Russell. 1st rounder also helps as well. My only issue with Atlanta is I don't see why they "needed" Capela but it does help them on paper. I think for Atlanta, they have obviously tried to be Warriors-East with way they have assembled their team, which includes Collins being the Draymond. Problem is, when they shift Collins to the 5, the defense gets massively worse. Hes just better as a 4 who can stretch, PnR and crash some boards. Capela gives them another PnR option for Trae as well as another rebounder when Collins is stretching and a rim protector for one of the worst defenses in basketball.
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Post by varsity on Feb 5, 2020 10:38:46 GMT -5
I get it. Overall, I think it's a good trade for them. I'm just curious to see how effective he'll be next to Collins. Again, I didn't view a center being a priority more than a better wing defender but he's only 25 so it doesn't speed up their rebuild too much either. I like it just don't love it.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 10:51:05 GMT -5
I think for Atlanta, they have obviously tried to be Warriors-East with way they have assembled their team, which includes Collins being the Draymond. Problem is, when they shift Collins to the 5, the defense gets massively worse. Hes just better as a 4 who can stretch, PnR and crash some boards. Capela gives them another PnR option for Trae as well as another rebounder when Collins is stretching and a rim protector for one of the worst defenses in basketball.
Nailed it with that last part, the Hawks are one of the worst defenses in basketball. 29th in points allowed, 27th in rebounds allowed, 26th in FG% allowed - among other ugly metrics. Granted having to start Jabari Parker and Damian Jones at PF and C for 46 games total didn't help. That said, Trae is abysmal defender and neither Huerter or Hunter has been good defensively this season and Collins is better defensively at PF than C. Adding the rim protection of Capela will go a long way towards getting them in the right direction, along with more experience and things like not getting suspended. Plus at 25 and signed through 2023, he's a rare veteran acquisition that fits the timeline of a young up & coming squad. I see a ton of defensive potential in that lineup if Trae can just work his way to be an average defender. Offensively though, they'll need one of Hunter, Reddish or Huerter to develop into a consistent 3rd scorer to take some heat off Trae/Collins to truly take that next step.
I love this deal for ATL probably mostly because it cost the team so little. Evan Turner (which is nothing in terms of a talent cost), the Nets 2020 1st rd pick which is middle of the pack in a weak draft (they were gifted from the Nets for taking on Allen Crabbe's contract) and then a 2nd rd pick from GSW which isn't until 2024
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 11:39:37 GMT -5
And also if for whatever reason Capela doesn't quite mesh in ATL - perhaps due to fit next to Collins - and they decide to make a move this summer, then the Hawks have a solid trade chip on their hands with either Collins or Capela.
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Post by varsity on Feb 5, 2020 13:35:13 GMT -5
Kevin O'Connor of the Ringer suggests the Nuggets make a move on Jrue Holiday by offering up Paul Milsap OR Gary Harris plus Houston's first round pick. If it's Harris, they'll need to likely include Plumlee to make the numbers work but a Harris, Plumlee for Holiday helps their luxury tax concerns for this year as they would shed almost 5 million in cap. Plus Holiday is an upgrade.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 13:51:36 GMT -5
As noted, Harris, Plumlee + 1st rd pick for Holiday ( + Okafor if they want a backup big) works Assuming of course the Pelicans even want Harris and his contract that owes him nearly 40M the next two seasons after this. With Redick (who they want to keep), Josh Hart signed through next season and Alexander-Walker signed through 2023, it's not like they have a need at SG - namely one who has been mediocre since last season.
I'm sure the Pelicans don't want to essentially trade Holiday for what amounts to cap relief and a pick (which is the case with the Millsap version) but personally I think it's better than taking on Harris' contract, especially when they have big FA decisions looming. BI this summer. Lonzo and Hart in 2021.
I think they should keep Holiday in all honesty and just trade their other backcourt players. Holiday wants to stay and would be a strong presence around so many young guys.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 5, 2020 14:26:52 GMT -5
Rockets closing in on a deal for a center, currently talking to two Eastern Conference teams. In addition to a center, they are willing to take on additional salary in exchange for assets
Any guesses? I'll say Portis..just because he'd fit in pretty good
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 5, 2020 14:31:53 GMT -5
Rockets closing in on a deal for a center, currently talking to two Eastern Conference teams. In addition to a center, they are willing to take on additional salary in exchange for assets Any guesses? I'll say Portis..just because he'd fit in pretty good TT is the first name that came to mind.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 15:19:13 GMT -5
Based on Woj' that they can fit another team into the trade - which isn't official yet - where the Rockets can take a player up to 12M in salary.
Under that construct, takes out guys like Portis/Tristan.
Maybe a smaller salaried big like a Luke Kornet, Kyle O'Quinn....
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 15:23:11 GMT -5
Sean Deveney speculates Evan Turner could be a buyout candidate.
I mean, if the Lakers don't make a move elsewhere, I could see them kicking the can on Turner. The Lakers are reported to be looking for another ball-handler and if Turner has anything going for him it's that he's fairly capable in that department. To go along with the ability to guard multiple positions.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 18:12:57 GMT -5
Suns are taking call on Oubre. Frankly I've paid so little attention the Suns forgot he was even on their team. Having a nice season with 18.5ppg 6.7rpg 1.4spg 34.6 3fg% and a tolerable contract at 15.6M this season and 14.4M next. The Suns have Mikal Bridges (#10 pick in 2018) and Cam Johnson (#11 pick in 2019) on the roster at the exact same position as Oubre. Moving Oubre for a quality PF - i.e. someone better than Saric/Kaminsky - would free up the SF spot to play these guys they invested high picks on.
Would they dare go for Kevin Love? A straight Oubre + expiring of Tyler Johnson for Love works.... just saying
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 5, 2020 18:20:11 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd rather just play Oubre at the 3 and Bridges at the 4. Cam Johnson was a bad pick at the time and still is. Even his best form is probably just a bench shooter. I think Phoenix could do better than Love for Oubre. I imagine his market would be pretty sizable.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 5, 2020 19:05:31 GMT -5
Alex Kennedy: The Lakers have made some calls to ask about the availability of Spencer Dinwiddie and Dennis Schroder
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 5, 2020 19:18:38 GMT -5
Alex Kennedy: The Lakers have made some calls to ask about the availability of Spencer Dinwiddie and Dennis Schroder Aim for the stars and land in the clouds...
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 5, 2020 19:36:20 GMT -5
Grizzlies are close to trading Iggy to Miami
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 5, 2020 19:39:40 GMT -5
Good. I just don't understand the fascination with Iggy. It's not 2015 anymore.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 5, 2020 20:32:14 GMT -5
Iggy to Miami.. and he signs a 2 year 30 mil. extension. Guess he's not heading back to Warriors afterall.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 20:59:32 GMT -5
Good. I just don't understand the fascination with Iggy. It's not 2015 anymore.
The fascination with Iggy is that even in 2020 he's still an incredible defender, a solid passer, a decent enough cutter/shooter to keep defenses honest and a fantastic teammate with loads of playoff experience. At age 36 he's obviously a lesser version but there is a reason he was linked to the Lakers, Clippers, Nuggets, Sixers, Rockets, Mavericks and obviously the Heat - probably others that went unmentioned publicly. The Heat aren't going to ask him to play 35 minutes a game. For 20 to 25 minutes a game, he'll be a strong presence defending the likes of Jaylen Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Middleton, Dwinwiddie, Oladipo, Warren, Simmons, Harris and even Siakam in the Eastern Conference playoffs. He'll fit in a lineup that doesn't really need any more scorers anyhow.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 5, 2020 21:01:25 GMT -5
Iggy to Miami.. and he signs a 2 year 30 mil. extension. Guess he's not heading back to Warriors afterall.
The fact that Iggy signed an extension with the 2021-2022 being a team option leads and their inability to trade any picks of value leads me to believe the Heat gave up a quality player to the Grizzlies. Obviously the Heat are less likely to fork over as much if Iggy was able to just walk as a FA after this season.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 5, 2020 21:03:16 GMT -5
Crowder and Solomon Hill were pulled from warmups for Grizzlies..so they are likely on the move as well. Which is the smart way to go.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 5, 2020 21:08:13 GMT -5
Damn, they traded my boy Winslow and whatever is wrong with his back. Love the fit in Memphis though.
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