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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 9:15:49 GMT -5
Rumors:
- The Houston Rockets are actively discussing several trade scenarios involving center Clint Capela, including with a host of Eastern Conference franchises, league sources tell ESPN. The Rockets are engaged in three-way trade possibilities that might allow for them to use Capela’s to gather the draft assets needed to acquire an impact wing player.
- Golden State is widely expected to trade Alec Burks and/or Glenn Robinson III this week
- If the current trade buzz is accurate, the general market for young frontcourt players is robust, with league executives saying both the Indiana Pacers’ Myles Turner and the Atlanta Hawks’ John Collins, big men with the ability to switch between power forward and center, are on the trading block
-Many thought the Warriors would wait until draft time to seriously ponder moving D’Angelo Russell, but sources say they are listening to pitches — with no secret Minnesota wants D-Lo badly.
-lots of rival teams are anticipating at least one trade this week from the Clippers, who have been pursuing a big and a wing
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 9:21:31 GMT -5
- Ambitious as it sounds, Minnesota has sought two first-round picks in exchange for Robert Covington in advance of Thursday’s trade deadline, league sources say
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 3, 2020 9:47:25 GMT -5
- Ambitious as it sounds, Minnesota has sought two first-round picks in exchange for Robert Covington in advance of Thursday’s trade deadline, league sources say Best of luck with that Glen Taylor. Your sterling track record in no way makes me second guess this thought process.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 3, 2020 9:48:53 GMT -5
Doesn't make any sense to me why ATL would want to move on from Collins. He seems like a perfect PnR partner for Trae.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 9:50:28 GMT -5
I don't get the Collins on the block either.
and typical D'Antoni style..get rid of the double/double center so they can play small ball and get a wing.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 11:33:48 GMT -5
Let's be real, Capela never fit D'Antoni. He would prefer an Amare Stoudemire / David Lee -type big man if this player is to be a featured part of the team, otherwise he probably feels he can get by with a mediocre big man flanked by strong wing players. Like last season when he had Harrell playing C when Capela was hurt. He sees way more value in a guy like Covington than they do Capela.
Golden State trading Burks and GRob3 is about as much a no-brainer as them trading WCS was. They need to go in complete tank mode and those guys are too productive to hold on to, esp. as impending FAs. They can commit that PT to their younger wing players as they tank for a top pick.
Turner being on the block isn't a surprise. There was always a question as to whether or not he could fit next to Sabonis and the results have been mixed as best. With Sabonis now an All-Star and locked up a multi-year deal, makes all the sense to commit to him and trade Turner for pieces that make better sense alongside Oladipo, Brogdon, Sabonis, Warren, Lamb etc. Namely a solid stretch PF.
I'm surprised Collins would be available unless they are weary of something about him - he was suspended 25 games this season after all - and don't want to give him that inevitable MAX contract as he is up for an extension this summer. They could get a big time haul for him and might prefer to have a different frontcourt presence around Trae, Huerter, Hunter, Reddish etc. Perhaps the reason they were linked to Drummond, Capela was not to put next to Collins but as a replacement.
Clippers will definitely make an impact trade offering up Harkless, their 2020 1st rd pick (last one they can trade for a while) and potentially Mann or Robinson to sweeten a deal. Don't see them moving Shamet or Kabengele unless it's for that big of a return. The team needs PG13 and Kawhi to just be healthy but beyond that they need - as we've mentioned - some frontcourt toughness. Could also use another quality wing defender.
Perhaps the reason the Wolves are shooting for the moon with a Covington return is to be able to offer more for DLo. Either way, I'd be surprised to see the Warriors trade DLo before the deadline BUT if MIN can get a 3rd team involved that gives the Warriors quality future assets and MIN also includes Culver, I mean the Warriors would be crazy not to listen.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 11:37:45 GMT -5
Would Houston deal Capela to an Eastern team to get a 1st rounder..then flip it to Minn for Covington.
I always thought the Turner/Sabonis compo can/would work. Although it's effected Turner a bit much this season.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 11:42:22 GMT -5
hoopshype just updated with a ton of "rumors" too many to list..but Heat may look to be active..to make that extra push to be a contender over the Bucks.
Cleveland Cavaliers forward Tristan Thompson is available on the market with the Feb. 6 trade deadline approaching, league sources told Yahoo Sports.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 12:05:29 GMT -5
Imagine just a crazy 4 team trade that works financially:
HOU trades: Capela, Nene + 2020 1st rd pick
HOU receives: Covington, Burks + Alex Len Houston gets a wing player they are known to covet in Covington, even more wing help in Burks because it's D'Antoni and Len is a serviceable big with some range.
They can just roll with Len, Hartenstein, Chandler at C. Plus they are shopping Capela to Eastern teams and this fits that bill. This is a typical win-now move for a coach on the hot seat
ATL trades: Collins + expirings of Len/Turner
ATL receives: Capela, Dieng + HOU 2020 1st rd pick
ATL has been linked to Capela and he is still young enough to be a long term piece and locked up through 2023. His defense/experience could be key in developing a young lineup.
They easily have the cap space to take on Dieng's salary for next season but the HOU 1st rd pick is compensation for that.
MIN trades: Covington, Dieng + 2020 1st rd pick (top 10 protected, top 3 protected in 2021, unprotected in 2022)
MIN receives: DLo MIN wants DLo badly. He is an upgrade to Covington value-wise. Additionally they unload the contact of Dieng. This definitely necessitates them including draft capital.
GSW trades: DLo + Burks
GSW receives: Collins + expiring of Turner + MIN 1st rd pick
It's not a haul of picks that they likely prefer to move DLo for but Collins is a 22 year old big averaging 19.3ppg 10.2rpg 1.8bpg 54.9fg% and has legit 3pt range. Great fit and long term piece.
They also get massive cap relief off their payroll next season going from 28.65M to DLo to 4.14M to Collins. Along with the MIN 1st rd pick - which is likely coming 2021
Next year with Curry, Klay, Dray, Collins, Looney, Poole, Spellman, Evans, D. Lee, Paschall + a high draft pick + MLE..... right back to contender status if everyone is healthy.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 12:20:53 GMT -5
I always thought the Turner/Sabonis compo can/would work. Although it's effected Turner a bit much this season.
I thought it could too because Turner was actually a pretty good jump shooter and felt he could be like an Al Horford-type big. He could be next to Sabonis the way Millsap was next to Horford. That said, making him just that is an injustice to his game. Sabonis is such a beast down low on both ends, Turner is impacted on both ends negatively. Sabonis has the highest rating on the team this year at +6.6. Turner has gone from 0.2. last year to -4.3 this year. In other words, the team is better with him off the court. This isn't a slight on Turner but he would be much better with a larger role elsewhere. It's also not long before he becomes disgruntled since Sabonis has the larger role, the larger contract and is now an All-Star.
Might be time to move Turner while teams still remember the version of him last year that was much better.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 13:05:30 GMT -5
Kings pursuing Capela.
I mean, IF the Kings offer Bogdanovic + Dedmon for Capela (+ Nene as cap filler), I have a hard time imagining the Rockets say no.
The Kings solidify their C spot and dump Dedmon The Rockets get a very strong wing player who is perfect for D'Antoni and Dedmon is a big with range so there is that.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 16:42:52 GMT -5
Adrian Wojnarowski: ESPN Sources: Another team engaged with the Houston Rockets in trade talks for center Clint Capela: The Boston Morons.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 17:02:48 GMT -5
Boston can trade Theis, Kanter, Langford and MEM 2020 1st rd pick to Houston for Capela and T. Chandler. Morons get a significant C upgrade without giving up anything from their primary core. Kemba + Jaylen + Tatum + Capela + Smart/Hayward. Solid. Rockets get significant cap relief, Langford is an interesting SG who was the #14 pick this past draft and that MEM pick should be a mid-1st round pick. They lose Capela but Theis is a capable C with some range and we know Kanter can flat out score. It's not a terrible offer but the Rockets are looking for win-now type assets rather than future-type assets.
I mean, they could incorporate a 3rd team
Boston trades: Theis, Kanter, Langford and MEM 2020 1st rd pick Boston receives: Capela and T. Chandler
Houston trades: Capela and T. Chandler Houston receives: Covington, Vonleh and Jordan Bell
Minnesota trades: Covington, Vonleh and Jordan Bell
Minnesota receives: Theis, Kanter, Langford and MEM 2020 1st rd pick
It's not the two 1st rd picks they seem to seek for Covington but Langford, as noted, is just one year removed from being a lottery pick. Plus they could probably get some value back for Theis with that cheap 5M team option next season. Add in that MEM pick and its a capable return. Gives them added pieces for the inevitable run at DLo this summer.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 18:05:30 GMT -5
Via HR: "Appearing today on The Lowe Post with Zach Lowe, Brian Windhorst of ESPN said the Clippers are in the market for a center, which is something Marc Stein of The New York Times and others have reported as well.
While Ivica Zubac and Montrezl Harrell have been very effective so far this season in Los Angeles, Windhorst suggested the Clippers may be a little nervous about entering a playoff series against Rudy Gobert and the Jazz or Nikola Jokic and the Nuggets with that frontcourt duo.
Windhorst mentioned Pistons big man Andre Drummond as a possible Clippers target, though he cautions that such a deal would be difficult, noting that Drummond is simply a best-case example of the type of player L.A. may be targeting. A lower-cost option like Suns center Aron Baynes would also be a good fit for the Clips, in Windhorst’s view."
We've often mentioned on here how the Clips could use more toughness down low. Baynes would certainly bring that. He's an expiring contract so makes sense for PHX to look to cash him in for an asset. Could make a run at Tristan Thompson as we've mentioned but Cavs may opt to keep him. Favors would be great but the Pelicans aren't likely sellers. Ian Mahimi is a far less exciting but very attainable option. As are guys like Dedmon, Vonleh, Portis. Decent players but are they really any better than Zubac/Harrell defensively?
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 3, 2020 21:05:38 GMT -5
Some names that came up in Hornets and Knicks recent talks included Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr., Terry Rozier and Malik Monk, per SNY sources
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 3, 2020 22:07:11 GMT -5
Some names that came up in Hornets and Knicks recent talks included Julius Randle, Dennis Smith Jr., Terry Rozier and Malik Monk, per SNY sources
Two franchises who have no clue what they are doing talking trades. What could possibly go wrong?
I guess I can see a Rozier for Randle type swap.
The Knicks, I suppose, solidify their backcourt with Rozier/Barrett and can stop fiddling DSJ, Ntilkina and can move on from Payton, Ellington, Bullock as FAs.
The Hornets can move Monk into the starting lineup and Randle gives that frontcourt more proven talent. Graham-Monk-Bridges-Randle isn't the highest ceiling core to build around but it's a start.
That said, if the Hornets are going to try and get anyone from the Knicks, it should be Mitchell Robinson.The Hornets need a C.
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Post by varsity on Feb 4, 2020 9:59:35 GMT -5
Suns interested in acquiring Luke Kennard according to Woj. Pistons are said to be seeking a first rounder.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 4, 2020 10:31:57 GMT -5
“Sources tell me that the Heat have emerged as a suitor for Andre Iguodala.” NBA Insider @shamscharania reports on Miami-Memphis talks for Iguodala
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Post by varsity on Feb 4, 2020 10:39:34 GMT -5
“Sources tell me that the Heat have emerged as a suitor for Andre Iguodala.” NBA Insider @shamscharania reports on Miami-Memphis talks for Iguodala Looks like Dillon Brooks and Ja Morant are ready to drop him off at the airport. Both spoke out last night on Twitter about hoping he gets traded soon.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 4, 2020 10:42:18 GMT -5
yea..Ja could have been a lil more professional about it..as I'm sure you saw what he said. But I can see their dislike about the whole situation.
I don't think anybody saw them being .500 after 50 games and in the 8th seed either.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 10:49:04 GMT -5
I don't blame Iguodala for wanting to play for a contender. That said, he IS under contract and the Grizzlies - while not a contender - are a surprising 25-25 and holding on to that 8th seed. So they are competitive and have something to play for. I don't blame Ja and Brooks for speaking out because it does feel like a slap in their face that Iguodala would rather sit out the season than not be traded to a team of his liking.
I have no doubt the Heat are interested in Iguodala. Not just as a player but also as a way of trying to unload James Johnson, Kelly Olynyk or Dion Waiters in the trade.
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Post by varsity on Feb 4, 2020 10:51:38 GMT -5
I have no problem with it. They're trying to win and Iggy wanted no parts of that before even giving them a chance. I'd probably feel the same way too if I were them. Plus he's taking up a roster spot of someone who may help them.
John Hollinger mentioned a good point though: Memphis has held firm in that they aren't going to waive Iguodala or buy him out. So the hope is here if they don't trade him, they won't hold onto him past March 1st out of spite so where he can't sign with a playoff team. I doubt it comes to that but it happened with Ben Gordon and the Charlotte Hornets years ago.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 11:04:54 GMT -5
There is a good chance Memphis is not going to get the deal they want with an expiring deal + a 1st round pick or even two 2nd round picks for Iguodala. At that point, they need to just face facts and trade him for whatever they can get - even if it's just a smaller expiring deal that saves them a few bucks and a 2nd rd pick that is likely to be late and/or some young player with middling appeal. They already got a future 1st rd pick from the Warriors for taking on Iguodala in the first place. Getting a little return for Iguodala after all this hoopla is not ideal but it's better than looking foolish by buying him out after spending all this time talking about not buying him out.
SOME contender out there will gladly offer an expiring deal + something Like the Clippers.
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Post by varsity on Feb 4, 2020 11:13:10 GMT -5
Miami will have a hard time parting with picks. They can't trade their 2020 first rounder because they owe a 2021 first rounder to complete the Goran Dragic trade. Their 2nd round pick won't be worth much either. And the young assets they have in Bam and Tyler Herro, they probably won't move. So unless the Grizz like James Johnson, it may be hard to move him to Miami without a 3rd team.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 11:26:23 GMT -5
The Heat, just based on their assets/contracts - aren't really the ideal trade partner.
The Clippers and Mavericks are the most logical with deals built around the expirings of Harkless and Courtney Lee.
Denver could be too IF they are willing to part with Mason Plumlee and his sizable expiring deal but I don't know that they are given he has been a key contributor for them the last 3 seasons and is really the only viable backup to Jokic. I can easily see Memphis being intrigued by an Iggy for Plumlee/Beasley trade but Denver may not want to mess with the team chemistry that much - even if they are likely to lose Beasley to FA anyhow.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 11:57:23 GMT -5
Via HR: "The Rockets, Hawks, and Timberwolves recently discussed a three-team trade that would have sent Robert Covington to Houston, Clint Capela to Atlanta, and Brooklyn’s 2020 first-round pick (from Atlanta) to Minnesota, league sources tell Kevin O’Connor of The Ringer."
It didn't go anywhere because MIN wanted to use that Nets 1st rd pick + their own 2020 1st rd pick to get DLo..... and GSW said no.
The Nets' pick right now is #16. That said it's lottery protected (likewise for 2021 and 2022) so if they slide out of the playoffs, then it isn't conveyed this year.
The Wolves' pick is #5 but figure there would be protections on it.
I've heard people consider this draft to be weak so probably understandable the Warriors aren't too keen on trading DLo for more picks in this draft when they already are getting a high pick via their own.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 17:07:47 GMT -5
Apparently a 4 team deal is being discussed. Based on the names involved, a twitter person threw out this variation:
HOU trades Capela + Nene HOU receives Covington + Looney (and also get under the tax by saving $)
ATL trades Turner (and obviously they'd be giving up draft capital)
ATL receives Capela
GSW trades DLo and Looney
GSW receives Wiggins and expiring of Nene (+ draft capital and also gets under the tax by saving $)
MIN trades Wiggins and Covington MIN receives DLo and expiring of Turner
It's pretty amazing you can take just 7 players on 4 teams and come up with a proposal that works financially and honestly makes a ton of sense once you iron out the draft picks involved. Houston, Atlanta and Minnesota all get a player they are said to covet. Really all hinges on Golden State and if they are willing to take on Wiggins - namely his contract - and what type of draft picks are headed their way to make it worth their while.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Feb 4, 2020 17:31:38 GMT -5
Would have to be for Marcus Morris. While he has his flaws offensively, hes the perfect body to throw at Kawhi in a Clippers series. He'd actually be what everyone THINKS Iggy would be to the Lakers playoff hopes.
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Post by doakley8 on Feb 4, 2020 18:08:37 GMT -5
I'd wait for the summer to move DLo And it certainly wouldn't be for a move for Wiggins
And Kuz cares more about his "brand" than playing ball it seems. If they moved him I wouldn't bec disappointed. Kuz loves him some Kuz.
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Post by eddieeddie on Feb 4, 2020 18:39:42 GMT -5
Would have to be for Marcus Morris. While he has his flaws offensively, hes the perfect body to throw at Kawhi in a Clippers series. He'd actually be what everyone THINKS Iggy would be to the Lakers playoff hopes.
The salary difference between Kuz (shade less than 2M) and Morris (15M) make this virtually impossible - unless the Lakers include Green or KCP, which isn't happening.
Not sure who the Lakers would be looking at that would fit salary wise. Packaging Kuz, Boogie and Cook they can trade for guys like Taj Gibson, Payton, Ellington, Ntilikina, DSJ, Bullock, Trier, Dotson, Knox, Mitchell Robinson.
Word is the Lakers are looking for another ball handler: Kuz + Cousins for any of Elfrid Payton, DSJ or Ntilkina works. Lakers aren't doing that obviously. That's nuts.
FWIW Kuz, Boogie and Cook for Knox and DSJ/Ntilikina works
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