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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 16, 2019 19:58:49 GMT -5
Reminder: Draft is: Tuesday, August 27 @ 5:30 pm PDT
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Jazzap (Melbourne Storm)
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Post by Jazzap (Melbourne Storm) on Aug 16, 2019 20:44:24 GMT -5
Thank you for setting up this forum!
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 17, 2019 4:02:38 GMT -5
Thank you for setting up this forum! You are welcome.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 19, 2019 11:37:27 GMT -5
I've become content with Kamara at #4..just looking more forward to if I go WR or RB on the way back.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 19, 2019 12:04:16 GMT -5
I've become content with Kamara at #4..just looking more forward to if I go WR or RB on the way back. Kamara is a great option. Honestly, if we were 0.5PPR rather than full PPR, I might go Kamara over CMC. But staring down that 107 catches from last season in an undesirable situation it's hard not to go there at 3.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 19, 2019 13:05:50 GMT -5
I am so unprepared for my live drafts this weekend. I might end up being "that guy" who just shows up with a printed cheat sheet from some website and says F It.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 19, 2019 13:07:43 GMT -5
lol...I'm "that guy" every year..I bring my printed out ESPN.com cheat sheet, pen and sheet of paper and roll with it. My live $ draft is Saturday evening. I'll look over it throughout the week. We don't find out our draft order until about 15 minutes before, so I'll see how it plays out.
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Post by varsity on Aug 19, 2019 19:28:16 GMT -5
I always look over the players the night before. I have 2 drafts on Tuesday
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 19, 2019 20:23:33 GMT -5
Nice. Just found out I got the #1 pick in my big money draft.
14 teams. QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, FLEX, K, IDP, IDP, IDP + 6 Bench
Hmmmmm.... Saquon or Kamara?
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 20, 2019 7:00:06 GMT -5
#1 pick..off to a good start
Saquon
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Post by varsity on Aug 20, 2019 11:03:45 GMT -5
I'd go for Saquon too. That offense is going to run thru him.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 20, 2019 11:17:48 GMT -5
Now I'm really glad I got the #1 pick because just found out I can only be at the draft for about 2 hours, maybe 2.5, and given the draft is 14 teams, suffice to say no chance in heck the draft will conclude within that span. So earlier the pick the better naturally.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 20, 2019 13:41:01 GMT -5
Agreed with everyone above, go Saquon and don't look back.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 20, 2019 14:06:30 GMT -5
What's annoying at picking #1 of course is I don't pick again until #28.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 20, 2019 14:36:26 GMT -5
Thunder...if Snow shocks the world and actually drafts serious..and goes CMC..you going Zeke or Kamara?
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 20, 2019 15:02:02 GMT -5
Thunder...if Snow shocks the world and actually drafts serious..and goes CMC..you going Zeke or Kamara? Well, one is currently showing up for work and honoring his deal and one isn't, so.... But if this mystery 5:30 presser Dallas just announced is about Zeke signing a new deal, I'd have to go back and rethink things. But if that were the case, snow would probably just take Zeke and his new contract at 2 anyways.... So I guess the answer is Kamara
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 20, 2019 15:04:10 GMT -5
yea, if Zeke is left at 4 I may pass and try a different approach
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 20, 2019 15:07:07 GMT -5
yea, if Zeke is left at 4 I may pass and try a different approach I mean, in a perfect world where Zeke signs between now and next Tuesday, our draft comes and it goes Saquon-CMC and I'm on the clock...I would think long and hard about Zeke over Kamara. Kamara is obviously more valuable with the full PPR, but it's hard to turn down that workload Zeke gets, especially inside the 10 where there is nobody to pull him off the field for (unlike, say, a Latavius Murray type guy).
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 20, 2019 15:47:47 GMT -5
If Zeke signs between now and Saturday, I'm taking him #1 overall.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 20, 2019 15:51:29 GMT -5
In your main money league? I dunno man..I'm taking Barkley and like Thunder said..not looking back I got Zeke 4th on my rank list Barkley, CMC, Kamara, then Zeke
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 20, 2019 17:09:47 GMT -5
You can obviously make a case for any of Saquon, CMC, Kamara at #1 overall. My concern with Saquon is I don't know if he'll see the same passing game usage with the construct of that team, namely adding Tate and keeping Shepard. Plus Saquon will actually take a hit with the loss of OBJ as defenses can further stack the box. In the four games Saquon played without OBJ, his PPG average dropped by almost 5 points. He had 7 games under 50 rushing yards, so if his receiving takes any hit, so will his fantasy production. My concern with CMC is there is talk of his workload being dialed back and I can see more focus on Cam throwing deep - hence the Moore / Curtis Samuel hype. My concern with Kamara is he had 37% of his fantasy production in the first 4 games with Ingram suspended. First 4 games 34 points per game. Last 11 games, 19.8. With Latavius Murray in the fold, the latter is obviously more plausible and knocks him out of Top 5 RB production. With Zeke, he has his warts but it's mainly off the field nonsense. I would choose him #1 overall because he is super safe. He's been in the league 3 seasons: In PPR, he's finished RB2, RB12 and RB5. Without the 6 game suspension in 2017, he'd have finished RB3. He plays in a solid offense with a fantastic offensive line with no concern over game script, he has a massive 3 down role (led the league in rushing attempts in 2016 and 2018) with goal line duties (28 rushing TDs in 40 games) and saw his passing game usage increase significantly this past season (77 receptions) and he's durable (he has missed 8 games total and none have been to injury). Also he became an even bigger monster once the team traded for Amari. In his games with Amari, his PPR points per game was better than Saquon's average. Also this league has bonuses for 100+ rushing/receiving yard games and Zeke had 7 last season - tied with Saquon. CMC had 6, Kamara had 3 (all in the first 4 weeks)
All these guys can make a case for being the #1 pick but to me Zeke is the safest choice when you consider his combination of consistency through three seasons, volume/role, team/OL, durability. I can understand going with any of the other 3 guys but to not even consider Zeke would be crazy. Assuming he signs of course.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 20, 2019 17:20:16 GMT -5
Couldn't have said it better myself EE. On the CMC front, I don't know that I'm super concerned about Moore/Samuel in the sense that, yes, he will lose touches to a healthy Cam pushing the ball downfield more...but, that should be offset by a positive regression in TDs. He had 1 TD in the first 7 weeks despite having ~20 touches/game in that stretch. A lot of Cam and/or CJ Anderson vulturing him around the goal line. If he bumps that 7 total TD into the double digits, the difference between the 107 catches last year and the ~85-90 he'll end up with this year should be negligible and that was good enough for the 3rd best RB in fantasy (0.5ppr) last year.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 20, 2019 17:35:09 GMT -5
With CMC, my concern is over the repeated mentions the last few months of his workload being cut. The guy was in the game on an absurd 91.3% of the Panthers' snaps, so it's only logical they cut that back. Will it lead to a decrease in touches? Probably, yes. Cam was 18th in passing attempts last season with a bum arm. He's now healthy and stacked with weapons (Moore, Samuel, Hogan, Torrey Smith, Olsen). This could lead to a more efficient CMC with more TDs though. Honestly, at #1, it's him or a signed Zeke. Kamara would be #4 and I'm legitimately worried about a sophomore slump for Saquon and if the Giants tank and turn to Daniel Jones, goooooood luck to Saquon.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 20, 2019 17:53:05 GMT -5
With CMC, my concern is over the repeated mentions the last few months of his workload being cut. The guy was in the game on an absurd 91.3% of the Panthers' snaps, so it's only logical they cut that back. Will it lead to a decrease in touches? Probably, yes. Cam was 18th in passing attempts last season with a bum arm. He's now healthy and stacked with weapons (Moore, Samuel, Hogan, Torrey Smith, Olsen). This could lead to a more efficient CMC with more TDs though. Honestly, at #1, it's him or a signed Zeke. Kamara would be #4 and I'm legitimately worried about a sophomore slump for Saquon and if the Giants tank and turn to Daniel Jones, goooooood luck to Saquon. Yeah, I know it's sacrilege in FF to turn down a "stud RB" but this is a year, between the Zeke and Gordon holdouts, Saquon + who? on the Giants offense (same goes for DJ in Arizona) and the legitimate questions around Kamara and CMC workloads that I wouldn't be mad at picking 5 and just having my choice of safe, reliable guys like Adams or Hopkins and playing RB roulette in the 2nd/3rd/4th.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 22, 2019 15:11:38 GMT -5
Via Ed Werder: "Sources: The most recent offer in negotiations between holdout Ezekiel Elliott and the Cowboys came from the team. Elliott has been offered a contract making him one of the NFL’s 2 highest-paid RB. That would suggest team offering more than LeVeon Bell and less than Todd Gurley."
Accept it and get your butt into camp Zeke.
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Post by doakley8 on Aug 23, 2019 7:26:22 GMT -5
Cam in a walking boot = more usages for CMC I'd still consider him with 1st pick Giants could implode and go with Daniels after week 4 and never know how that effects Barkley
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 23, 2019 11:39:47 GMT -5
Cam in a walking boot = more usages for CMC
Cam with bum shoulder, missing Olsen for half the season and raw receiving core = ridiculously high usage for CMC
Cam being out due to foot injury, with a healthy and improved receiving core and team talking about reducing CMC's workload = ? That drop from Cam to Kyle Allen is significant and who knows what the stacked boxes will do to CMC. It certainly hurts Samuel/Moore.
If Zeke is still holding out and if Cam's injury is somewhat impactful, I might go ahead and turn to Barkley. I have my concerns but at the least he is a safer bet for more volume than Kamara.
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Post by eddieeddie on Aug 24, 2019 20:10:31 GMT -5
Awesome. Thought the draft was at 3:30. Turns out it was at 3:00. I log on to Yahoo at 3:15 and we're already in the 2nd round. Luckily as the #1 pick, it defaulted to Saquon. Maybe I was unprepared as this was my first draft..... maybe it's because it's 14 teams and not 12... maybe it's because at #1 I had super long waits between picks... maybe because the league starts 3 WRs and 3 IDP spots and I'm not used to that..... I got really flustered at my turn. It's tough. I used my queue as much as I could but those things got ravaged during my 27 pick wait. Ended up with: QB: Jameis Winston RB: Saquon Barkley, James White, Matt Breida, Justice Hill, Justin Jackson, Chase Edmunds WR: Antonio Brown, Calvin Ridley, Christian Kirk, Sterling Shepard, Tyrell Williams, DJ Chark TE: Zach Ertz K: Stephen Gostkowski IDP: JJ Watt, Jaylon Smith, Antoine Bethea
EVERY team had drafted a QB by the time my 10th pick came along. So rather than join the run, I just waited and got Winston in the 13th. Risky having him as my only QB but I like his upside at that value. At least no Fitzpatrick to steal his job again. I got hard core poached on running backs as I missed out on some by 1 or 2 picks, including Duke Johnson - which annoyed me further when about 15 minutes later was the news of Lamar Miller getting hurt. I like Barkley/White as my starters but the rest are basically backups/lottery tickets. I'm pretty much hoping Gordon holds out until week 10 to extract short term value from Jackson.
I think drafting Ertz with my 3rd round pick threw me off as I am not normally a draft TE high guy but he was the highest on my board and went with it. I could have gone Thielen or Diggs and drafted Hooper in the 9th. Then again Ertz/Tyrell Williams seems to be a lot better than Thielen/Hooper. And naturally I end up with AB and Tyrell. Homer Raiders fan. I really drafted Tyrell as insurance in case AB does something stupid.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Aug 24, 2019 20:39:43 GMT -5
Per Adam Schefter: Colts QB Andrew Luck will be retiring from the NFL in a press conference tomorrow. Luck says he is worn down mentally and checking out.
HOLY SHIT, RG3 IS GOING TO HAVE A LONGER CAREER THAN LUCK!!!
On a separate note, good for him for recognizing his own mental health and making a "positive" change to his life rather than "dealing with it" or "powering through it" like so many people do. He will definitely go down as one of the great "what ifs" in NFL history
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Post by varsity on Aug 24, 2019 23:14:01 GMT -5
Per Adam Schefter: Colts QB Andrew Luck will be retiring from the NFL in a press conference tomorrow. Luck says he is worn down mentally and checking out. HOLY SHIT, RG3 IS GOING TO HAVE A LONGER CAREER THAN LUCK!!! On a separate note, good for him for recognizing his own mental health and making a "positive" change to his life rather than "dealing with it" or "powering through it" like so many people do. He will definitely go down as one of the great "what ifs" in NFL history Agree. I'm not really that shocked anymore because I think with so much information being available about life post-football, it wouldn't shock me to see a lot of players calling it quit before 30. Luck is probably just the biggest name (for now).
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