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Post by eddieeddie on Jan 22, 2020 17:05:08 GMT -5
CBS came out with their own mock today
Round 1 pick 12 Raiders: Jordan Love QB Utah State • Jr • 6'4" / 225 lbs Jordan Love is coming off a forgettable 2019 season but his 2018 tape offers glimpses of just how good he can be. He's drawn comparisons to Patrick Mahomes and if he has a strong Senior Bowl week he'll have a chance to convince critics that he can play with more consistency at the next level. And if the Raiders are looking for a Plan B after Derek Carr before the move to Vegas, this could be it.
Round 1 pick 19 Henry Ruggs III WR Alabama • Jr • 6'0" / 190 lbs Makes too much sense not to happen -- Ruggs is a burner and a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball. The Raiders suddenly have a lot of questions, especially on offense, but Ruggs would give Jon Gruden an immediate deep threat to pair with Darren Waller and Hunter Renfrow and, possibly, a new quarterback (see above).
No thanks. If Herbert and Tua are gone by 12, I'd rather go high end talent elsewhere than ridiculously reach for Love.
WR CeeDee Lamb or Jerry Jeudy at #12 and defense at 19 w/ CB Fulton, Edge T. Lewis or CB T Diggs would be huge boosts at need areas.
Then just see what QBs are there later. Perhaps in the 3rd round since the Raiders have 80, 81 and 92. Maybe one of Eason, Montez or Love slide.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jan 22, 2020 18:11:36 GMT -5
Someone is going to (pardon the obvious pun) fall in love with Love. Those physical tools he has....someone is going to rub their eyes and see another Mahomes. And they will be wrong, but still...
What is the situation with Carr's contract exactly in terms of dead money if he's cut? I remember the big, flashy numbers when he signed but didn't keep close tabs on the back end of things. He clearly isn't the answer in Vegas, especially with guys like Jeudy, Lamb or Ruggs possibly coming in. Highly doubt they'll be excited to be catching 5 yard drag routes all game from Carr.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jan 22, 2020 18:16:27 GMT -5
I'm interested to hear what everyone is thinking for their team, at least in round 1. Who do you want? Who do you not want? Who will most likely get picked?
Regardless of all the noise, I'm 95% confident that Joe Burrow will be a Bengal by about 8:08pm that night, so I'm itching for some hot gossip on the rest of the first round.
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Post by varsity on Jan 22, 2020 18:17:43 GMT -5
Carr's dead cap hit is 5 million if he is cut. If he's on their roster, he'll make 21.5 million this year.
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Post by varsity on Jan 22, 2020 18:19:14 GMT -5
I'm interested to hear what everyone is thinking for their team, at least in round 1. Who do you want? Who do you not want? Who will most likely get picked? Regardless of all the noise, I'm 95% confident that Joe Burrow will be a Bengal by about 8:08pm that night, so I'm itching for some hot gossip on the rest of the first round. Bears We have no first rounder LOL. Who I want? A QB with one of our 2nd round picks (we have 2). Who we will likely take? An OL or TE.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 6, 2020 18:03:31 GMT -5
Just realized we'd been discussing the draft in the NFL news Thread and not this thread, actually for the draft haha. I just read an article by Albert Breer of SI the Raiders are willing to trade down from one of their 1sts to acquire a 2nd rd pick that they don't have. Vic Tafur of the Athletic suggested: Raiders get #25 and #58 Vikings get #19 and #81 I guess I can see the Vikings move up if they see a WR they like at #19 that they don't feel will be there at #22 (which they also have), which is very plausible with JAX, PHI at #20 and #21. Maybe Ruggs slides or they really like Higgins. Word is the Raiders really really like Jalen Hurts and he might be there target with that 2nd rd pick not believing he'll be there at #80.
It's also being thrown around that the Raiders *might* go defense/defense in the 1st given how deep the WR class is and target a WR later.
IF that is the case and the Raiders are willing to wait on WR, honestly, I'd rather trade down from #12 then. Barring a slide, none of the defensive players there intrigue me. For me it's all WT at #12. Send it to a team that would be hungry for an elite WR. Like say Philly.
Raiders get #21, #53, #127 Eagles get #12
Read online that this is a match based on the trade value chart.
For Philly, imagine adding Lamb/Jeudy to Wentz-Alshon-DJax-JJAW-Ertz (at least until Wentz and DJax get hurt)
Raiders at #19, #21, #53, #80, #81, #90 opens up a lot of avenues to add talent.
Get an impact LB + DB with the two 1sts to shore up that defense even further on top of their free agent additions.
Go WR at #53 - the guys that might end up available could surprise like Higgins, Mims, Aiyuk, Pittman Jr., Claypool, Gabriel Davis. DJ Metcalf fell to #64 last year. Guys like Deebo, AJ Brown, McLaurin, Sutton, Kirk, Gallup, DJ Chark, Anthony Miller, Juju, Kupp, Godwin, Golladay, Dede Westbrook, Curtis Samuel were outside the 1st round in just the last 3 years. Obviously there were a lot of flops/non-producers as well, so I can see the Raiders doubling-up on WR in the 3rd round as well to have more shots at hitting.
I really think it'll be an interesting draft for the Raiders. Beyond the whole being "virtual" thing anyways
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 6, 2020 18:15:57 GMT -5
I've honestly never watched a NFL draft. Maybe first couple picks every few years
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 6, 2020 18:26:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I was going to gauge the interest of everyone doing a live chat watch of the 1st round at least.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 6, 2020 20:30:44 GMT -5
I've honestly never watched a NFL draft. Maybe first couple picks every few years
Unless I have something else important planned - like my friends wedding a couple years ago - I watch the 1st round live for sure and most, if not all, of Rounds 2 and 3. Then 4 to 7, I'll "watch" if I'm at home.
Honestly I will probably watch every second of this draft because I got nothing else going on due to the quarantine. I mean right now I'm watching a 2006 Saints vs Falcons game on ESPN because it's on ESPN. Most think its dumb for the NFL to not postpone it. Maybe. But it gives me something to look forward to.
I'm down for a live chat on here.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 7, 2020 16:54:07 GMT -5
Via NY Daily News
"Steelers GM Kevin Colbert proposed three more rounds for 2020 NFL Draft to offset coronavirus restrictions: sources" The draft is already wildly unpredictable; now teams have less intel than ever before. Because there are bound to be many misfires, Colbert believes the Steelers (and other clubs) can offset things a bit with a greater margin for error.
Makes sense and I'm all for it. Plus more draft = more TV (and also more shots prospects to get drafted who might not have been in a 7 round draft due to lack of exposure)
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 7, 2020 16:57:46 GMT -5
Via Team980, Redskins coach Rivera said: “Amari was somebody we chased hard all the way until the end. We would’ve loved to have him a part of what we’re trying to do here. He would’ve been a great veteran presence.”
Word is the Redskins offered more $ but Amari made the right decision to stay with the Cowboys. Joining up with Dak, Zeke and company versus whatever the Redskins got going on with Haskins/Kyle Allen, cant say healthy Guice, 100 year old AP and little talent in that pass-catching core outside terry McLaurin.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 8, 2020 17:24:52 GMT -5
Just watched Daniel Jeremiah's mock draft. Pretty much every pick he made was reasonable, even if not conventional Interesting tidbits: He had Dolphins going Herbert #5 over Tua. Noted the health, the experience, the size/speed combo. Also had them going DL Gross-Matos at #18 and OT Joshua Jones at #26. Noted the RB depth for not going Swift in the 1st. With #39, #56, #70 and 8 more picks in the draft, they have the assets to move back into the early 30s and nab Swift if they feel he won't be there #39. There is also Taylor, Dobbins, Akers, Edwards-Helaire, Moss as options with those picks.
He had Chargers going Tua #6. Noted it would be a dream pick. He had Lamb and Ruggs going #11 and #13 to Jets / Niners. With the Jets it is either OL or WR and his argument for Lamb made a ton of sense. Likewise for his reasoning for Ruggs to SF. He had Raiders going WR Jeudy / CB AJ Terrell. WR + DB is the most obvious route. He had Jags going OT Becton / WR Jefferson. I never really pegged them for that type of combo but makes sense. He had WR Aiyuk to Titans at #29. His mock had two OTs go right before here, so giving Tannehill another weapon to go with AJ Brown, Corey Davis makes sense. Aiyuk is getting some hype lately. Most interesting was QB Jordan Love to GB at #30. Packers did draft Rodgers when they still had Favre, who at the time was going into his age 36 season. Aaron Rodgers is going into his age 37 season. So not a pick I would foresee but I get it.
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Post by varsity on Apr 9, 2020 8:49:08 GMT -5
Most interesting was QB Jordan Love to GB at #30. Packers did draft Rodgers when they still had Favre, who at the time was going into his age 36 season. Aaron Rodgers is going into his age 37 season. So not a pick I would foresee but I get it. Interesting pick as Rodgers have been pretty adamant he doesn't plan on going anywhere, anytime soon. But with a 2nd year coach, possibly looking to stamp his own name on the franchise, I can see the intrigue if Love is there. As a Bears fan, I'm all for it as seeing Rodgers pissed at GB sounds great going into the season.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 9, 2020 16:38:19 GMT -5
I feel like what my opinion on the Raiders should do is changing daily.
I've noticed more NFL Draft stuff online and on TV and I had a chance to watch more tapes of Jordan Love and Ruggs. Well damn. Call me crazy but this could - emphasis on *could* - be a Mahomes/Hill type tandem. Can't beat em', join em', right?
The Raiders have reportedly been linked to Love for weeks. I'm seeing Ruggs mocked to the Raiders - along with Lamb/Jeudy. Might be a case of who do they like more.
So this wouldn't be completely improbable
Imagine Raiders go Ruggs at #12 and Love at #19 - edging out JAX, New England, New Orleans and Green Bay, who've been linked to Love.
Then the Raides can look to address their depth at #80, #81 and #90
Like LB Troy Dye from Oregon, S Terrell Burgess from UT and slot WR KJ Hill (yeah they have Renfrow but with Tyrell/Ruggs on the outside, they could use more inside receivers) Then #121 and #159 go take a stab on a RB like Ke'Shawn Vaughn from Vandy and OT Jack Driscoll from Auburn
QB: Carr, Mariota, Love WR: Tyrell, Ruggs, Renfrow, Agholor, KJ Hill, Zay Jones
TE: Waller, Witten, Carrier, O'Leary
RB: Jacobs, Richard, Vaughn
Solid OL and legitimate depth in the defense with their additions this offseason.
This team could be competitive next season but what excites me is the long term potential IF Love hits as QB. Raiders have had some good QBs - including yes, Carr - but no real difference maker since Rich Gannon or Ken Stabler or Daryle Lamonica. Which outside of Plunkett, were their QBs in all their Super Bowl appearances.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 9, 2020 16:58:14 GMT -5
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Lions, "At No. 3, I’m told they’ve had discussions with teams about potentially moving back from their slot and that teams wanting to move up have been receptive."
In other words, Burrow/Chase are a lock at 1/2, so the Lions essentially are the start of the draft and a team wanting Tua or Herbert can lock it up by trading with them.
If it is with Miami or San Diego, the Lions will in all realism still get their guy in Okudah (and if not, then it means Simmons is there and that is an equally good pick).
Here is a wild card team: Jacksonville - moving up for Tua
Would Detroit be willing to trade #3 and #149 and drop all the way down to #9 if it also netted them #20 and #73? They'd then have #9, #20, #35, #67, #73 in the top 3 rounds
They lose out on Okudah/Simmons but with two 1sts they can address their OL with Becton/Wills and CB with Diggs/Fulton and fill out quality depth with the other picks, including a RB since Kerryon can't stay healthy and we saw how badly the backups crapped the bed. Remember Ty Johnson? Due to fantasy, I do.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 9, 2020 17:15:16 GMT -5
I feel like someone already said that in the other thread EE
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 9, 2020 17:18:06 GMT -5
From the Dane Brugler Draft Guide: Jordan Love
STRENGTHS: Loose passer with special arm talent…effortless load and release delivery (it looks like he is throwing a Nerf football)…efficient feet and fluid lower body to climb, slide and move the pocket…comfortable drifting and throwing on the move (left or right)…displays natural touch as a downfield passer…needs to show it more, but will make throws before receivers are out of their breaks…utilizes his athletic traits in the option game, showing admirable toughness as a ball carrier…humble, even-keeled demeanor…team captain in 2019 and his coaches call him a “grinder” as a worker…weighed only 180 pounds when he enrolled at Utah State and has worked hard to develop his body…huge hands…productive stint as the starting quarterback and leaves as the first player in school history to surpass 9,000 yards of total offense – also finished second in career completions (689), passing yards (8,600) and passing touchdowns (60).
WEAKNESSES: Stubborn decision-maker, locking onto preferred targets and disrupting the timing of the play…needs to improve his keys pre- and post-snap to make the proper reads…defenders track his eyes…internal clock lacks maturity, allowing the pocket to close on him…inconsistent base mechanics, often fading away from throws…bad habit of throwing low on out-breaking routes…did a nice job filling out his frame, but doesn’t have ideal body armor…needs to do a better job protecting himself as a runner…rise in interceptions and drop in touchdowns in 2019 are a red flag…off-field decision-making deserves scrutiny after he was cited for possession of marijuana (December 2019) only a week after he declared for the 2020 NFL Draft.
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Utah State, Love lined up at quarterback in former offensive coordinator Mike Sanford’s up-tempo, shotgun offense, finishing his career as the second-winningest quarterback in school history with a 21-11 record (.656). He set school-records in 2018, including passing yards (3,567) and touchdown passes (32), under the tutelage of head coach Matt Wells and offensive coordinator David Yost (both now at Texas Tech). But with a new coaching staff and only one other returning starter on offense in 2019, he took a step back in his development, producing very inconsistent results. From a physical standpoint, Love will create Patrick Mahomes-like flashes with his loose passing skills and impressive arm talent. However, he doesn’t have a great feel for tempo within the relationship of his progressions and the defense, requiring time to mature mentally. Overall, Love is still very raw as a passer and his inconsistent decision-making is a concern, but he has immense, high-ceiling talent that is ready to be cultivated, projecting as a high-risk, high-reward NFL prospect.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 9, 2020 17:51:01 GMT -5
I feel like someone already said that in the other thread EE
I admittedly was too much of a Carr-truther where at most I'd splurge on a Jalen Hurts/Jacob Eason in the draft and would have preferred taking a flier on a guy like Morgan/McDonald/Montez.
That said, the more I see film on Love, the more I'm enamored.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 9, 2020 18:07:58 GMT -5
I get it. As someone who has watched Andy Dalton the past decade, risk averse QBs like Dalton and Carr aren't what you want. You certainly don't want a guy as careless as Jameis either, but there's a difference between "being smart with the ball" and being paralyzed by the thought of turning the ball over.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 10, 2020 12:41:20 GMT -5
Carr is a pretty good game manager which only works if you have elite talent around you - like Jimmy G with the Niners.
In an era of the NFL with guys with rocket arms, crazy mobility, laser focused accuracy, big time upside, fantastic leadership and just an amazing ability to make clutch plays - in a case like Mahomes who has ALL of these - it's simply not exciting to have a QB who "doesn't make many mistakes".
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 13, 2020 11:32:02 GMT -5
Via RW: "Fowler reports the Dolphins, Saints, Patriots, Chargers, Packers, Redskins, and "several others" have done "varying levels of homework on Love", which includes looking into his background. Seven NFL head coaches have called Love's former college coach Matt Wells in the past five days."
This guy is going to end up being a top 10 to 15 pick somehow, isn't he?
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 13, 2020 17:55:11 GMT -5
Albert Breer of SI says the Bucs at #14, Broncos at #15 and Falcons at #16 are all looking to move up. The former two would look for OL help and the last maybe secondary help. He sees JAX at #9 the hot spot for TB/Denver since the Browns and Jets have OL needs themselves.
I think it makes sense for JAX/TB to make a deal. TB is all-in with Brady and moves up to land perhaps Becton/Wills. JAX can trade down and still land a solid prospect at 14 like CJ Henderson, Kinlaw, Chaisson and get extra draft capital.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 14, 2020 14:39:34 GMT -5
Yea, I got nothing to add here, I may watch the first 6 or so picks to see where Tua goes.
I did atleast look over Mel Kipers mock lol
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 14, 2020 14:54:55 GMT -5
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 14, 2020 16:43:39 GMT -5
Whatever. He can say what he wants. Won't upset the joy I'm going to feel watching us draft Burrow, watching him play and (hopefully) leading us to many deep playoff runs and (fingers crossed) a Lombardi. All I ask is that this time next year when it's Washington or Jacksonville staring down the barrel of Trevor Lawrence that Stephen A and everyone spends 1000 hours talking about how those franchises are trash and Lawrence should power-play his way out of there....
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 14, 2020 17:37:03 GMT -5
Via Dan Graziano:
Raiders GM Mike Mayock on conference call with Reports:
"We feel really good about the quarterback position." "We need to get better at wideout."
To the 2nd point, the heck you say. Thank you Captain Obvious. To the 1st point, don't know that I believe him. Sure Carr + Mariota + one of Kizer/Peterman/rookie flier is a decent enough situation for next season. All the news about them sniffing around QB draft prospects suggests they aren't that sold on this QB room though.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 14, 2020 18:36:07 GMT -5
I could see Vegas being fine with Carr/Mariota. I dont personally love it, but Jon Gruden has always been a guy who falls in and out of love with his QBs on a throw to throw basis.
I think if Love is their target, they'd have to do what the Giants did last year and take him at 12. If he's the guy, can't risk what happens between 13-19 and lose him.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 14, 2020 21:36:59 GMT -5
In his years as HC, Gruden has definitely cycled through QBs. He has shown he can get by without a stud QB provided the talent on the team is sufficient elsewhere. His Super Bowl season the Bucs had a solid WR, a qreat run game and the best defense in the league. The same type of formula was there for his 2nd best season with the Bucs. His two best seasons with the Raiders involved one year with an absolute elite offense and then another year with a similar formula to that of the Bucs. He just needs a QB to be pretty safe. That was pretty much the calling card of the likes of Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson. Can Carr be this QB? Sure. Boring but effective. IF the Raiders improve obviously at wideout, hope Jacobs and that OL stays healthy and continue beefing up that defense that was utterly abysmal last season, I can see Carr being the type of QB Gruden feels he can win with because of his history.
All that said, I've spent the last 25 years watching mostly future NFL HOFers win Super Bowls. Brady. Brees. Rodgers. Ben. Russ. Eli. Peyton. Warner. Favre. Aikman. And yeah Mahomes looks headed that way too. I'd rather not hope the Raiders can Trent Dilfer/Joe Flacco/Brad Johnson/old man Peyton/Nick Foles-their way to a Super Bowl win.
I've gone back and forth on Jordan Love a hundred times. About as many times as I've gone back and forth on the Raiders using #12 on a WR. If pressed, I wouldn't be super upset if the Raiders went Love at #12. CBS had a mock yesterday that had this pick so it's out there. Kiper mentioned it on ESPN as well today as a scenario.
BUT I find myself more going back to my default "common sense" approach of WR at #12 with Jeudy/Lamb and defense at #19 and seeing if one of Hurts, Eason is there late 2nd and the Raiders can move up from #80 without too much cost (or best case scenario is they fall to #80). This way the Raiders can address their needs accordingly and yet add some upside to that draft room.
Honestly if the Raiders draft Hurts, I could see them using him right away in a Taysom Hill-type role. If anything it'd make the team more exciting and unpredictable.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 15, 2020 11:36:43 GMT -5
Some stuff via RW: "One scout told The Athletic's Bob McGinn that he believes Alabama WR Jerry Jeudy has "more of that superstar potential than anyone" else in this year's class of wide receivers. “Just a phenomenal route runner. Explosive. Just makes things happen," the same scout continued."
"In a poll of 17 NFL executives by The Athletic's Bob McGinn, Oklahoma WR CeeDee Lamb edged out Alabama's Jerry Jeudy as the top wide receiver prospect in the 2020 draft class....... As for Lamb, scouts are comparing him to Chad Johnson and Anquan Boldin. "You throw the ball up, he’s coming down with it," one scout said. “Just a competitive and strong guy,” said another scout. “Almost a Boldin-type of receiver. I don’t think he’s a superstar. Lamb kind of maximizes what he has.” Lamb (6'2/198) is our Hayden Winks' No. 1-ranked wideout."
"In a poll of 17 NFL executives by The Athletic's Bob McGinn, Colorado WR Laviska Shenault was voted the likeliest wideout to be a draft bust. "
"NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports "one team that appears poised to move up" in the draft is the Falcons from No. 16 overall. "
"The Athletic's Nicki Jhabvala reports the Broncos had a video call with Baylor WR Denzel Mims. "
In a draft where people have thrown around comparisons to Hopkins, Julio, Amari and even Calvin Johnson, I'm sure hearing Chad Johnson and Boldin isn't that exciting but anyone who watched those two in their prime knows how good they were. The former had a stretch from 2002 to 2007 about as good as you'll see in the NFL averaging 89-1339-8 teaming up with Kitna and then Carson Palmer. Boldin was less flashy but he was just super solid for a 12 year period with a few big seasons mixed in there. As a rookie he went for 101-1377-8. In 2005 he went for 102-1402-7. Imagine those stats in fantasy. (BTW that same 2005, Boldin's teammate, some young buck named Larry Fitzgerald, went for 103-1409-10).
Falcons moving up was mentioned recently as well. Perhaps targeting CB CJ Henderson.
A lot of people believe Ruggs is an option to Denver. If they trade down from #15 to target someone like Mims later on and the team moving up is doing so for defense, could cause a slide for someone like Ruggs. Teams like Jacksonville, Philly, Minnesota, Tennessee, Green Bay could be licking their chops for a move up to nab him. If the Raiders nabbed Jeudy or Lamb at #12, they could be a hot trade partner at #19 if Ruggs is there.
The Vikings have a ton of draft picks and a gaping hole a WR with the Diggs trade. They could package #22, #105, #155 to leapfrog JAX (assuming they didn't go WR at #9, which is a safebet) and Philly to nab Ruggs.
Raiders would then have four 3rd rd picks to solidify their depth or use to move up into the 2nd if they wanted.
Man am I glad the NFL Draft is going on as planned or else I'd have nothing sports related to think about
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 17, 2020 13:50:18 GMT -5
Not sure how credible it is but rumor is the Pats/Lions are close to a deal where Pats move up to #3. Pats have a lot of picks but going from #23 to #3 will be super expensive.
Also word is Giants are open to trading down from #4. Given they want OL and probably don't see much separation between the top 3 or 4 prospects, makes sense they trade down for assets but still within range to get one of them.
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