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Post by eddieeddie on Jan 1, 2020 15:17:53 GMT -5
Have a friend who is a hardcore LA fan - keeps trying to trade for him in our fantasy league but for someone who is such a fan, his offers suck.
Anyhow, he thinks LA is a future HOFer. Obviously taking into account that he is "only" 34 and has time to further pad his stats.
7X All-Star 5X All-NBA 2nd or 3rd team
In his 14th NBA season 19180 points 8198 rebounds 1930 assists 716 steals 1082 blocks
19.6ppg 8.4rpg 2.0apg 0.7spg 1.1bpg 49.2fg% 81.1ft%
9 playoff appearances 72 games. Furthest was Conference Finals in 2017
20.8ppg 8.5rpg 1.7apg 0.7spg 1.4bpg
Even if you factor in the rest of this season and say 3 more productive seasons and he finishes with around 24000 points 1000 rebounds 2500 assists 1500 blocks, I don't see it. Those are nice milestones but HOFer?
He is certainly one of the best players not to have made the Finals ever though. Him, Melo, Vince Carter and Chris Paul among active players. Also Nash, Grant Hill, Wilkins, Webber, Tim Hardaway Jr. and Jermaine O'Neal among more recent players.
I can see LA doing a Mitch Richmond and just latching on to a contender at the end of his career. With LA.
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 1, 2020 15:40:07 GMT -5
I don't consider him a HOF player, I was going to say you can't put LA in and not Webber..but in 14 seasons he's already got more points and rebounds and will pass him on blocks.
That really is a tough case..I agree with you..I don't see it..but with those stats..I think he will be.
I've never been big on LA, he kinds of puts up empty stats it seems
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 9, 2020 17:55:49 GMT -5
Curious Thunder and Vars take on LMA Since its really just 4 if us in here
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Post by varsity on Jan 9, 2020 18:13:05 GMT -5
If I didn't look at stats, I would probably say no. I tend to agree a lot of those numbers are empty numbers and I never considered LMA a player that you can build around more than a solid complimentary or #2 player. But if he plays at least another 3 years and manages to win a championship within that time, cumulatively he'll probably have a resume that can get him in the HOF.
If you look at the similarity comparisons on basketball-reference.com, his numbers are parallel to Chris Bosh and in most seasons better than Bosh's. Obviously Bosh has the 2 rings with Miami and he was considered more of premier player in Toronto than I think most considered LMA in Portland/SA but I think some people would consider Bosh a HOF. I feel like LMA is somewhere between Bosh and Rasheed Wallace in terms of HOF probability.
I agree though you can't let LMA in and not Webber.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jan 9, 2020 18:15:48 GMT -5
If I didn't look at stats, I would probably say no. I tend to agree a lot of those numbers are empty numbers and I never considered LMA a player that you can build around more than a solid complimentary or #2 player. But if he plays at least another 3 years and manages to win a championship within that time, cumulatively he'll probably have a resume that can get him in the HOF. If you look at the similarity comparisons on basketball-reference.com, his numbers are parallel to Chris Bosh and in most seasons better than Bosh's. Obviously Bosh has the 2 rings with Miami and he was considered more of premier player in Toronto than I think most considered LMA in Portland/SA but I think some people would consider Bosh a HOF. I feel like LMA is somewhere between Bosh and Rasheed Wallace in terms of HOF probability. I agree though you can't let LMA in and not Webber. I dont think I can add anything to this. Pretty spot on. Maybe if LMA gets out of SA and latches on to a title team he gets in, but the stats alone probably won't carry him. He is 1st ballot HALL OF VERY GOOD though, for whatever that is worth.
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 9, 2020 18:47:34 GMT -5
I agree with both as well. Good luck with the LMA trade offers tho EE
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jan 9, 2020 19:03:45 GMT -5
Yeah, as the LMA owner in our league, it's probably not even worth shopping him to you guys. The disparity between his name/non keeper status on one side and his actual production on the other means there's no way either side gets true value.
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 9, 2020 19:13:24 GMT -5
I just dont trust any Spurs player because of Pop. I dont think I've ever owned one.
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Post by varsity on Jan 9, 2020 19:21:46 GMT -5
I had LMA last year and he puts up good numbers but it's never the stats you need him (mainly blocks). He's almost like Carmelo except Melo in the past may give you some nights with 3-4 3PM but LMA it's just points and average rebounds. Not really an assist guy, block guy, steal guy and just average shooting guy.
I had Duncan in his prime and Manu a few years. But once they got old and started resting, they were hard to keep on my roster.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jan 9, 2020 19:34:54 GMT -5
Funny you should mention that. LMA has 64 blocks this year. That puts him at #7 in the NBA, 1 ahead of Rudy Gobert.
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 9, 2020 19:40:11 GMT -5
Empty stats blocks lol Hes an under the radar player for sure, San Antonio actually fits him. I've just never been a fan, but his numbers are there.
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Post by varsity on Jan 9, 2020 19:48:37 GMT -5
Funny you should mention that. LMA has 64 blocks this year. That puts him at #7 in the NBA, 1 ahead of Rudy Gobert. His 2 blocks a game this year is practically double his career average. You managed to get him when he has a career year in that category lol. I, however, did not. Last year Gobert had 1 more block per game than LMA.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Jan 9, 2020 19:51:07 GMT -5
I'm in no way arguing he's a better defensive player than Gobert. That is, of course, asinine. He is having a career year in that respect.
My overarching point was that his stats this year means he's more valuable than his name/reputation. So it would be impossible for me, or the guy in EE's league to recoup actual value for him.
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 9, 2020 20:08:32 GMT -5
I agree..his value may be high..I just dont have any interest in him.
Go offer him to Obie for Collins And Vuce
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Post by eddieeddie on Jan 9, 2020 20:36:21 GMT -5
I'm in no way arguing he's a better defensive player than Gobert. That is, of course, asinine. He is having a career year in that respect. My overarching point was that his stats this year means he's more valuable than his name/reputation. So it would be impossible for me, or the guy in EE's league to recoup actual value for him.
I am actually the LMA owner.
18 team league. Beal, Ayton, LMA, Lowry were my first 4 picks.
LMA is the only one of the four who hasn't been either suspended or marked as "INJ".
19.1ppg 7.7rpg 2.4apg 0.6spg 1.9bpg 1.0 3pg 50.8fg% 84.6ft% Kind of wish he rebounded more but that's more of my team sucking hard in this category more than anything. Only players I have averaging more than 6rpg are LMA, Ayton and Tristan Thompson. My 4th best rebounder is Melo. Seriously.
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Post by doakley8 on Jan 9, 2020 20:39:29 GMT -5
Ahh..just reread it..yea..tell ur boy we all said he was HOF too and step up those offers. I mean hes got more blocks than Rudy!
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