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Post by wareagle on Apr 22, 2022 10:34:40 GMT -5
Are we allowed to make trades in the off-season?
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 22, 2022 10:48:47 GMT -5
We always talk about it..but we've never done it. So probably not. Idealy, sure I'd like to trade like Butler/Brodie/Wood to upgrade to 1 player. But I think once seasons end..other that keepers everybodys a free agent. So na..probably never will
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 22, 2022 10:57:18 GMT -5
Are we allowed to make trades in the off-season?
I don't see why we couldn't.
For example, if you want one of my 5 keepers and I want one of yours and we agree to straight up swap, should be easy enough.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 22, 2022 11:05:52 GMT -5
That would be fine
But me saying..I wanna trade Brodie/Butler/Wood for Joker is kinda of not so much Would likely have to be keeper for keeper. Instead of clearing out 6-7-8th man on your current roster
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 22, 2022 11:06:45 GMT -5
oh and I'd keep SGA, Turner, Sengun over Luka
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 22, 2022 11:13:12 GMT -5
That would be fine But me saying..I wanna trade Brodie/Butler/Wood for Joker is kinda of not so much Would likely have to be keeper for keeper. Instead of clearing out 6-7-8th man on your current roster
Keeper for keeper is the benchmark.
Agreed, trading players that won't be kept by either team certainly doesn't make any sense.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 22, 2022 12:26:57 GMT -5
Somebody say Rudy for Zach? lol
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Post by varsity on Apr 22, 2022 17:28:33 GMT -5
Somebody say Rudy for Zach? lol That ship has sailed. I like Zach but DeRozan has taken over as the scorer and while it should seem obvious the Bulls keep Zach, not a lot of positive talk here about wanting to give him that contract he wants. He took a "discount" once according to him. Overall keeper for keeper works for me too. Probably my last year I keep this current group of keepers before switching it up.
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Post by wareagle on Apr 22, 2022 20:20:20 GMT -5
So if someone wanted, say Beal & Collins for, say Zion - and we both intended to keep the players we traded for, that wouldn’t be allowed in the offseason?
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Post by varsity on Apr 22, 2022 21:05:09 GMT -5
So if someone wanted, say Beal & Collins for, say Zion - and we both intended to keep the players we traded for, that wouldn’t be allowed in the offseason? I think as long as all 3 players are keepers for next year, it's fine. But you wouldn't be able to make that trade and not have Collins as a keeper next year.
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 23, 2022 7:44:05 GMT -5
So if someone wanted, say Beal & Collins for, say Zion - and we both intended to keep the players we traded for, that wouldn’t be allowed in the offseason? I think as long as all 3 players are keepers for next year, it's fine. But you wouldn't be able to make that trade and not have Collins as a keeper next year.
Agreed. As long as everyone in the trade is kept is the key.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 23, 2022 14:21:37 GMT -5
Ayton
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Post by wareagle on Apr 23, 2022 15:13:15 GMT -5
I think as long as all 3 players are keepers for next year, it's fine. But you wouldn't be able to make that trade and not have Collins as a keeper next year.
Agreed. As long as everyone in the trade is kept is the key.
Ok, thanks.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 23, 2022 19:30:50 GMT -5
oh and I'd keep SGA, Turner, Sengun over Luka He was messaging me while it was going down. Funny enough it was Sengun that have him pause before finally accepting it. But Giannis, Luka and Simmons is gonna be filthy for racking up those triple double categories.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 25, 2022 11:42:34 GMT -5
Kyle Lowry Steph Curry Josh Richardson DeMar DeRozan Jimmy Butler Alec Burks Mason Plumlee Pascal Siakam Bogdan Bogdanovic Jose Alvarado Kevin Durant Khris Middleton Grayson Allen Chris Paul Anthony Davis Julius Randle John Collins
Probably dropping the 4 guys below, gonna hang on to Grand Theft Alvarado
Thaddeus Young Naji Marshall Aaron Holiday Malik Beasley
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 25, 2022 12:18:11 GMT -5
Keep (13): Beal, Sabonis, Fox, J. Murray, Jaylen, MPJ, KPJ, Markkanen, Nurkic, J. Grant, Jalen Smith, Picks 1.05 and 1.10
Maybe (7): THJ, Reddish, Roby, THT, L. Walker, 2.05, 2.08
Drop City (5): Moody, Grimes, B. Williams, Keon Johnson, Bitadze,
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 25, 2022 13:08:10 GMT -5
Interesting
When I said I had your 8....2 of them are in the maybe and 1 of them is in the keep pile!
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 25, 2022 13:43:50 GMT -5
Interesting When I said I had your 8....2 of them are in the maybe and 1 of them is in the keep pile!
I assume Jalen Smith is the one from the keep pile.
Admittedly Jalen Smith is just a "keep" right now because he helped me win a fantasy title in another league with his 2nd half play. 13.7ppg 7.9rpg 1.1bpg 1.4 3pg 51.9fg%. With Smith being a free agent, the presumptive return of Turner and the team having Oshae Brissett/Isaiah Jackson and also the #5 pick that could land a combo forward like Keegan Murray, very good chance that offseason moves send him straight to the dump pile.
As for the 2 in the maybe, I assume 2 among Roby, Walker or Reddish.
Honestly, unless you are SGA or Giddey, I'm not excited about ANY Thunder player. Dort is OK but he's consistently missing games. Bazley is hit or miss. Poku has awesome potential but his minutes are erratic as heck. The team has 13 dudes under contract next season and 4 picks in the top 34 of the draft - including #4 and #12. Roby is only in the maybe because he also had an intriguing 2nd half - 13.1ppg 5.9rpg 2.4apg 1.0spg 1.0bpg 1.3 3pg 51.5fg% - but until this team commits to truly winning and starts shortening their depth, just hard to rely on any player. Walker had a bunch of 20 point games and just showed so much scoring ability. If the Spurs re-sign him to a long term deal, I see that as them committing to him at SG next to Murray since White is gone and given that team's need for scoring, I can see him being a 16-4-3 with 2 threes kind of guy. Not super sexy but enough to make the top 17. Which are basically akin to THJ stats in value when healthy. Realistically Reddish is headed to the dump pile too. He's shown flashes but injuries and being on a cluttered Knicks team doesn't help his cause.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 25, 2022 19:30:19 GMT -5
Putting Nic Claxton on my do not draft list next season.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 28, 2022 15:32:38 GMT -5
Running it back Dame Harden Butler LaVine Vucevic ...would trade any of these
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 29, 2022 12:37:58 GMT -5
who won the Capela/Whiteside for John Collins?
He had offered Capela/Dinwiddie..but I got enough guards that just score.
With Capela/Whiteside/AD..and some Plumlee/KD get blocks..I should be fair in that category now.
I got somebody wanting Siakam & AD
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 29, 2022 12:59:59 GMT -5
who won the Capela/Whiteside for John Collins?
I mean, since you were chasing blocks, you win in that respect obviously. Likewise for rebounds. Collins has regressed as a whole the last two seasons statistically. The team brought in Capela, Gallinari, Bogdanovic in 2020 and it's eaten into his production after his breakout 2019-2020 season where he was a stud. On top of the team already having Trae, Hunter, Huerter.
That said, this being a dynasty league, one thing that can tip the scales is if Collins gets traded this offseason. Coming off a disappointing season and a bloated payroll, the Hawks could look to shake things up and Collins is their best trade chip that they'd realistically be willing to move (esp since his name has appeared in trade rumors already). They could be ready to roll at PF with young kids in Okongwu/Jalen Johnson, who they drafted in the 1st round the last two seasons, and try to clear up cap flexibility (Trae's deal kicks in this summer, Hunter is extension eligible) and get draft assets by unloading Collins.
If Collins gets sent to say Detroit or San Antonio for example, two teams that have been linked to him in recent months, he could definitely get a big opportunity to get back to being that 2019-2020 beast and in that case I'd easily have him over Capela/Whiteside.
It's all speculative of course but that's the fun in dynasty.
I'd personally have taken Capela/Dinwiddie. I understand chasing blocks but Whiteside is a backup, a free agent and turning 33 in a few weeks. Who knows what his value will be next season and certainly beyond that. Dinwiddie has more standalone value and could have been shopped for a better player than Whiteside in a subsequent deal.
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Post by YoungThundercat on Apr 29, 2022 13:37:27 GMT -5
who won the Capela/Whiteside for John Collins? I mean, since you were chasing blocks, you win in that respect obviously. Likewise for rebounds. Collins has regressed as a whole the last two seasons statistically. The team brought in Capela, Gallinari, Bogdanovic in 2020 and it's eaten into his production after his breakout 2019-2020 season where he was a stud. On top of the team already having Trae, Hunter, Huerter.
That said, this being a dynasty league, one thing that can tip the scales is if Collins gets traded this offseason. Coming off a disappointing season and a bloated payroll, the Hawks could look to shake things up and Collins is their best trade chip that they'd realistically be willing to move (esp since his name has appeared in trade rumors already). They could be ready to roll at PF with young kids in Okongwu/Jalen Johnson, who they drafted in the 1st round the last two seasons, and try to clear up cap flexibility (Trae's deal kicks in this summer, Hunter is extension eligible) and get draft assets by unloading Collins.
If Collins gets sent to say Detroit or San Antonio for example, two teams that have been linked to him in recent months, he could definitely get a big opportunity to get back to being that 2019-2020 beast and in that case I'd easily have him over Capela/Whiteside.
It's all speculative of course but that's the fun in dynasty. I'd agree that I think you won since both of you seem to be trying to compete now. However, given Kiwi makes 45 trades per day, it would also depend on what he eventually spins Collins off into. Kind of nice to just chill and not be a part of the offseason arms race.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 29, 2022 13:57:55 GMT -5
Yea, I enjoy this ..because I got players I'm not used to having. Although I did want my boys Curry/Butler on my team.
I had no idea Beasley hit 240 3's..so I'm gonna have to keep him since I was going to drop him.
Gave up some good talent..but trying to equal out my categories, and was low on blocks/rebounds, and will help with FG%
Was also thinking ..if Collins is moved..Capela is still there..and could maybe have a bigger role..and if Rudy is moved..Whiteside could resign for a year and start or have a bigger role.
I did have some discussions on Embiid, lol but I told him asking price is probably going to be too high for me
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 29, 2022 14:48:10 GMT -5
Was also thinking ..if Collins is moved..Capela is still there..and could maybe have a bigger role..and if Rudy is moved..Whiteside could resign for a year and start or have a bigger role.
If Collins is moved, it likely creates a bigger role for others rather than Capela. Hunter/Okongwu are the first to come to mind and the Hawks' strong belief in them would realistically precipitate the move in the first place. Plus given Collins was relatively mediocre in rebounding and blocks the last two seasons, sliding an athletic defensive-minded guy like Okongwu next to Capela might actually hurt him given - per minute - he was notably better than Collins. Sure it was primarily against backups but this is Okongwu's thing. Capela could theoretically see more shots but more likely I just see Hunter/Huerter seeing more touches and Gallinari also could see a boost in offensive role.
Realistically the Jazz don't trade Gobert unless they have a viable replacement in hand. I mean, I think Whiteside has a chance to be a nice asset next season and could see a somewhat expanded role dependent on what the Jazz do. That said, if they trade Rudy and just make Whiteside their starter, then they may as well blow up that team because that's not great. Unless they traded Gobert for an absolute stud in another position.... which in that case, I still think they'd need to put Whiteside in a committee role because there's a reason he's been on 4 teams the past 4 seasons.
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Post by doakley8 on Apr 29, 2022 14:52:08 GMT -5
I hope Hunter stays healthy because he may be ready to break thru a bit. and I do like Okongwu, I was impressed with flashes I saw of him. So I think moving Collins is a move they need to look into
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Post by eddieeddie on Apr 29, 2022 15:16:44 GMT -5
I hope Hunter stays healthy because he may be ready to break thru a bit. and I do like Okongwu, I was impressed with flashes I saw of him. So I think moving Collins is a move they need to look into
No doubt health has been Hunter's biggest issue. He flashed so much potential to start his 2nd season (17.2ppg 5.4rpg 2.2apg 0.9spg 51.4fg% 36.6 3fg%) before injuries derailed his entire season. He was a bit uneven this season - as was the whole Hawks team - but he came up big in the playoffs versus Miami (21.2ppg on 58.1% shooting and 52.6% on threes). If the Hawks do move Collins, I can definitely see Hunter being a big time beneficiary from an offensive standpoint. As for Okongwu, maybe I am biased because he is USC, but I love his energy out there. I think he can be a Serge Ibaka type. Not necessarily developing that 3pt shot but being that active defender with a high motor and big time shot blocker because of a super long wingspan. Or maybe a taller Montrezl Harrell.
IF the Hawks traded Collins, honestly wouldn't surprise me if they just went with a smaller lineup and kept Okongwu on the bench as a backup PF/C. Which in that case, Capela could definitely benefit in defensive stats being the alpha in the frontcourt defensively and feeding off the low post scores.
One idea I saw was a straight 3 way swap of Jerami Grant to UT, Bogdanovic to ATL, Collins to DET. The humor of both Bogdanovic dudes being on ATL aside, this would be a scenario where it'd make total sense for ATL to go small because they'd be super loaded with SF/PF types between Hunter, Gallo, Bogdanovic and other Bogdanovic.
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Post by YoungThundercat on May 3, 2022 6:16:23 GMT -5
TRADES TRADES TRADES!!!
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Post by doakley8 on May 3, 2022 6:17:50 GMT -5
cricket, cricket, cricket
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Post by eddieeddie on May 3, 2022 8:10:55 GMT -5
I went through so many conversations with Ada and Kiwi.
Nearly had a trade in place with ADA for Dame + PG but we couldn't get the logistics and then he subsequently trades for Kawhi and takes Dame off the table. So we shifted and I offered ADA: MPJ, Moody and 1.05 for Poeltl, Simons, 1.09. He said he was interested. He then subsequently trades Poeltl and 1.09 in the deal for Jrue and doesn't even given me a heads up. He said he resisted because he wanted to keep Simons since he had Dame. I told him I wish he had told me because I'd have altered my offer to Poeltl, Vassell, 1.09. He was so annoyed at himself because he said he 100% would have done that deal. He actually kept saying he didn't believe I'd have done that deal. Welllllll if you didn't believe me then, you sure do now since I made the exact same trade basically.
For me came down to:
(A) Good grief my team sucks at blocks. My main bigs - Sabonis/Nurkic - suck. Enter Poeltl. If Jalen Smith or Isaiah Roby have a little more role certainty and I keep one of them, I'd have at least something in that category. Being 26 he fits my build. If the Spurs extend him this summer, I'll feel much better.
(B) I like Moody but I have no clue what his role is down the road and I feel his upside is lessened with the ascension of Poole. He was on my likely to cut list. Rather get Hunter, who I just spent some time hyping up. Hoping Atlanta's disappointing season leads to some changes and Hunter can build off his strong postseason play. Being 24 he fits my build. If the Hawks extend him this summer, I'll feel much better.
(C) MPJ may very well be healthy the rest of his career and be awesome but after the season I had with injuries, I am fine trading him while people still value him
(D) I saw the draft as having 4 top tier dudes (Chet, Smith, Ivey, Paolo) so having pick 5 kind of sucked. There were like 5 guys I could have considered there. As such, dropping down to 1.08 wasn't really a big deal for me. Having 1.08 and 1.10 gives me options.
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